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[–] 152 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I had a shower thought the other day that if more CEOs were shot dead, there'd probably be less Return to Office.

People are sometimes like "oh but violence is bad!" but ignore all the casual harms inflicted on people by capitalism and friends.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They also ignore all the freedom of the lower classes which was won through violence against the upper class.

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    [–] 97 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m in management now but I say go get ‘em please.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    most management I would assume would be with the workers. If your not c suite your nothing.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tech is a bit different because a significant portion of your compensation comes as stock when you get higher up the ladder but yeah.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Stock options and grants are a tool to trick you into accepting lower pay and conflating your interests with those of the capital class. (Speaking as someone who has received both!)

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Fingers and toes crossed, get'em for every last penny!

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  • [–] [S] 70 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    luck is not gonna help. Only action and organizing can save us. Join a union too.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh, I would if I lived in a place which had such movements, believe me... As it is, all I can do is wish for Lady Luck to smile upon those who have the chance! Sure, it's a bad idea to bank everything on luck, but it can never hurt to have some on your side!

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    where do you live? The tech workers movement is reaching pretty much everywhere there's tech production.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Romania. There haven't been any significant developments in this sense around here, at least not as far as I know. Each company around here has a Wagers' Rep of sorts and they gather with other such Reps and discuss wage related stuff, but it's nowhere near as elaborate as a Union, nor has it ever felt significant in any relevant way.

    Most people have kinda'... given up on this country. Everyone scrambles to eject themselves abroad as soon as humanly possible. Can't say I blame'em.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are you aware that Romanian IT sector has the highest rate of unionization of any IT sector in the world? SITT is a case study studied all over the world. https://transform-network.net/blog/interview/the-romanian-it-workers-labour-union-showed-that-everyone-can/

    It might not be the sexiest, most modern radical union, but it is a case of success with numbers to show. Maybe you can start from there.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Huh, I honestly had no idea, thank you! I'll certainly start looking into it! Perfect timing, too, quit my job so I could focus on trying to get into stuff like this!

    I sure hope the fact that it isn't common knowledge (at least not among most of the people with whom I've worked during the past decade) is down to them being effective and not it being a hopeless cause, though... Speaking from personal experience (and I leave room for doubt because I have notoriously bad luck in general), it sure didn't feel all that grand working in this industry. Not about the work in itself, but the practices...

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pretty much anywhere outside the USA, the communication of tech workers unionizing is pretty much absent and expecially news about it. This is a big deal, but it doesn't say much about the actual penetration of unions in a given sector. It's a complex topic, but I explain it with the fact that the topic is pretty much uninteresting, unless it's a well-known brand is unionizing. Since most famous tech companies are American, there's enough mass of news there to actually push media outlets to cover news.

    In Italy, where there are very few "well-known" IT companies, the topic is completely absent, to the point where IT union organizers from a city don't know about big wins by other IT unions organizers from another city. Nonetheless the narrative is not the thing, and there can be big impacts that become visible to the general public only after sociological studies.

    So, long-story short, the fact you never heard about SITT doesn't say much about its effectiveness, just about their ability to communicate.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is an interesting point, and I actually think I could help with this! I do very much like getting people with needs in touch with people with solutions!

    Sincerely, thank you! I'm managing my expectations, but you sparked a bit of enthusiasm in me! Here's hoping I can help in some way.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Go for it. If you want to look for a very good example of union communication, look up "More Perfect Union". Very American, but it shows a way to bring union news to people in a cool way.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Resources, too, the whole kit and kaboodle! Again, really can't thank you enough!

    On a side and completely personal note, I can't describe the big, fat smile I'd wear on my face if I could call myself a Union rep:))

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago

    Meanwhile Accenture has 1400:1 CEO-to-worker pay ratio.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, then they lose all their best and brightest who are disappearing off to work on their own things.

    All these idiot C-suite trash will wind up holding is a bag of yesterday's technology, a mass of obsolete infrastructure and a bunch of brands they've helped destroy.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    H1Bs are fine with coming into the office and won’t put up a fight with any corporate policy….

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago*

    Yup every time I see H1B I replace it in my head with tech slave. They're paid, but the deck is so stacked against them they effectively cannot refuse anything. ANYTHING. A well informed H1B worker might score a chance at permanent residency for some of the abuse they suffer. But mostly it's just years of abuse with very strict rules to get their residency.

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Look, I'm kind of an outsider on this conversation because until we get a DaVinci for mechanical work, I'm never going to be WFH, but there's something interesting I've noted with all my programmer friends.

    The industrial world, that's where unions are, they're getting pulled out but that's the places unions live. The people working in stores are starting to push hard on unions. My industry, biomed, hasn't really gotten unions off the ground, but it's rumbling. We're a small industry that's so short on people it's just easier to move jobs than start a union, but we're a mix of tech and industrial backgrounds. But the programming tech backgrounds, at least here in the midwest, is apparently so anti-union I don't know how it'd get off the ground from what I'm hearing from my friends. Their coworkers who are mad about RTO will immediately turn around and say the corporate lines about unions. I'm honestly kinda baffled and hope your industry gets it figured out.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    They're just trying to scare the Americans out of the office so they can replace them with cheaper H1Bs who won't talk back.

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