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Honestly, I'm here for it. The biphobic stuff I would hear from women kept me in the closet for a long time

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The reply that's like "it's not homophobia, I just prefer a masculine man, and a man who is capable of attraction to another man is less masculine" is killing me.

I'm sorry, how is "same sex attraction makes you less of a man" not homophobia? Or I guess the real question is how can someone who isn't openly bigoted, who recognizes that homophobia is a thing to distance oneself from, incapable of seeing that that's obviously homophobia?

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago

They know they are homophobic. They are just trying to deflect the label.

[–] bdonvr 22 points 2 weeks ago

This is masc gay/bi erasure.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

wait like, half of this at least, is also discriminatory to SA victims. Do these people just tell men who are assaulted to fuck off?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 weeks ago

Male SA victims get no special considerations ask me how I know k-pain

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, that's how male SA victims are treated usually

[–] bdonvr 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, that's what the grand jury and some of my family basically said 🙃

Though that's not solely a male SA victim thing, often just a SA victim thing. Society just tells men and women SA victims to fuck off in different ways.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

Only if they cry too much about it, probably.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

More for me then. Bi men are fun in bed. I like men that’ll rail me and let me rail them in return. emilie-shrug

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

straight cis women are always saying the most out of pocket shit about gay men, doesn't surprise. they will also ape queer culture and fashion all day and then act aghast when someone mistakes them for queer lol. have seen this a lot. cishet guys do it too of course people just have a notion that women are like predisposed to be less queerphobic or smth

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I had to file a $4000 protective order against a former friend of mine when I came out bi after rejecting her twice. I was in the closet for over 20 years in the American South and thought it would be finally safe enough to come out earlier this year after living in the PNW for a couple of years. Guess not.

She was sending me shit in the mail, going around calling me a predator. She kept trying to find ways to contact me; going as far as a Google photos comment section she had a link to. I gained 30 lbs from stress. I leave the country next month, thank fucking God. I'm done.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We were super close friends. I felt like I could actually open up to her and I guess I sent mixed signals or something. Never kissed her or fucked her once.

I've had a pretty hard life and I just, I just want out lol. I leave the country mid January to Europe. I'll be over for at least 3 years but want to be there as long as I can. I loved living there as a kid.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They make you pay money to get a restraining order?? Edit: Oh I guess that was lawyer's fees. Still ridiculous.

I'm guessing she asked if you rejected her because you're gay, at which point you came out as bi? How did she think that made you a predator? That's fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, that is the legal fee. I went lawyer shopping for a day and I was getting quotes from $4,000 to $6,000. What's even more fucked is I have a friend who got a DUI, and his quotes were $3,000 to $4,500.

It's cheaper to fight a DUI than to put a legal mechanism in place meant to protect you from domestic violence.

I'm guessing she asked if you rejected her because you're gay, at which point you came out as bi?

I came out at a new years eve party with a really hot dude. It was amazing and I miss it powercry-1 . It was the last night I truly felt attractive.

Her first boyfriend broke up with her coming out as gay, and her fiancé cancelled their wedding after he came out as trans. She uhhh...has a type. lol. And she had an axe to grind. She lost her shit when I came out.

How did she think that made you a predator?

She just wanted to hurt me and went around saying that. We went to school together and our cohort had some conservatives and she leveraged the "the gays are groomers and predators" nonsense to try to hurt my reputation. Also made false accusations I harassed her as well. If you have seen Baby Reindeer, she is Martha.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I know the women in my life trend more queer than the average, but given the voracious appetite among women I know for gay fanfics and/or yaoi this is wild to me.

Not that fetishization is preferable, of course.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah there really is no correlation between the fetishization of queer people and actual acceptance. I’d wager that a huge chunk of those people who consume that content do so BECAUSE they find it ‘deviant’ and thusly more exciting in a taboo way.

See also: rabid racists who consume interracial pornography and transphobic people consuming porn with trans people in it

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

when you put it that way, I don't think I'd even rule out a negative correlation what-the-hell

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Same. Maybe it's because I jumped headlong into kink, but most women perked up when I mentioned my bisexuality.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 weeks ago

Gals be like "we can be just as hateful as the fellas!"

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago

The cishet mind is horrifying, why did I click that ohnoes

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

in accordance with the wise adage "polling is bullshit," i'm gonna have to fact check this one.

The source is a Glamour magazine article. The "study" was conducted by Glamour itself. Almost no information about methodology is shared, including how respondents were located and contacted, what their demographics were, or what the actual questions being responded to were. All we are told is that they polled "1,015 women ages 18 to 44 about their own sexual identities and experiences." Needless to say, this is not a representative sample, and I strongly suspect these were Glamour readers responding to an online poll.

I don't doubt that biphobia is widespread, but I want harder evidence.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

I mentioned the statistics here are dubious elsewhere in the thread, but anecdotally it definitely seems like the case

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago

That's cool I wouldn't date anyone who is homophobic or transphobic so clears that out immediately.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago

I live in a pretty conservative area and most of the women on dating apps wouldn't want to date me the moment they found out I'm bi

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In my youth I used to think I could assimilate as a straight, but apparently by merely having boundaries and trusting my danger sense, I've never dated one

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago

Duuuude straight women are fucking awful about biphobic shit. Straight women will be all virtue signaling and then all of a sudden say some shit like “…but I’d like never date an actual bisexual guy”

I’ve also had many, many times when I’d reject a woman’s advances, and get the ol’ “Oh are you gay or something?” No, I’m not gay (as if that were some insult?), I’m just not interested in you specifically.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago

I don't know how much Twitter is even representative of the general public at this point. Surely most of the non-homophobic women on it switched to Bluesky and shit by now.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Wait, that doesn't make sense? 37% of women would date a man who has had sex with another man, but 19% would date a bisexual person? So at least 18% of women would date a straight, gay, or non-bisexual pan man who has had sex with other men just as long as he isn't bi?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Idk and the original survey was in some magazine, no idea how valid those exact figures are. Anecdotally, though a lot of straight women do have that outlook and I'm glad an open discussion is being had.

Also a lot of women jumping into the comments unprompted to say, "What?? Just because I don't want to have sex with a guy who has had disgusting gay sex and probably has AIDS, that makes me homophobic???"

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago

I regret ever wasting my time trying to appeal to a childish people who thinks like this.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago

"Yeah my bf fucked another guy, but not in a gay way. Guy on guy is hot as long as I don't have to think of it as a long-term thing."

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago

it doesn't count if you say "no homo" very-smart

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They're different surveys. The 63% is from a Glamour survey of 1000 women who subscribe to the magazine. The 19% is from South Florida Gay News, but the link wouldn't load for me so idk who they surveyed exactly.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

South Florida Gay News better not have surveyed their own audience because I would be very shocked to see that 19% figure came from the LGBTQ community itself.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

at least some of this might be confused by asking lesbians if theyd date a bi man

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is it something to do the first statistic using "man" and the second "person"?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On a similar note, in the BDSM community switch straight or bi men tend to face a similar issue with straight women (both dom and sub) not wanting a man who switches

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This exchange was good. It's like explaining concepts to Patrick Star.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They just haven't read my boys' love manga yet.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Never dated a straight woman, even the women I dated throught my gradeschool years were bi or ended up discovering they weren't straight later on. Idk what it is about me, maybe its because I too am bisexual

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Kinda makes sense since a majority of women want a "manly man", at least thats what I see happening IRL.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

bell hooks talks about this in The Will to Change. Many women are still fully sold on patriarchal ideas, not as many as in the past, but women who are sold on the dominator model of relationships and the gender norms of patriarchy view having sex with men as a distinctly "feminine" act that's unattractive for the idealized patriarchal masculine partner they want.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago

Does their head explode if they see a muscle bear?

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