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Amazon keeps having to pull ‘deny, defend, depose’ merch from online shelves
(www.independent.co.uk)
They don't HAVE to do shit
this post was submitted on 15 Dec 2024
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Here's a more ethical print shop: https://www.punkwithacamera.com/products/deny-defend-depose-spade-ink-copy
AliExpress doesn't give a fuck.
AliExpress is funny in that regard. They really dgaf at all about any politics. Just Chinese companies making money moving outrage merch.
Temu is rocking, too
Temu is scammy bullshit. They slammed my credit card with ~$800 worth of bullshit "purchases" over about a week after it was on file for $25-30 of legitimate ones. Do not do business with this fraudulent company.
I've been using them for nearly 2 years no and have no experience other than saving money and getting reimbursed for bad products without needing to send them back. I appreciate your anecdote, but since brick and mortar stores are dead and I don't make much money paying Amazon to import the same products for me at a premium just makes no sense. Temu is fine.
Well I'm glad not everyone is having the crappy experience I did
Has anyone tried selling Luigi masks yet?
I mean like the guy faux or monopoly man style, but its Nintendo's Luigi.
Please put this on a shirt and sell it on amazon
If CEO's are the problem why would you buy DDD merch from a dragon? Seriously, if you want performative swag hit the thrift store and make that sh!t yourself.
Why do people buy keffiyehs from Amazon?
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Yeah, there's a certain irony to protesting the late stage capitalist hellscape we live in, by giving money to Jeff Bezos.
Maybe if we stuff him with enough money he will burst?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is a great idea.
But we’re only going to get one shot at it, so I suggest we test the theory out first. In the name of progress, I’m willing to volunteer.
Why are they pulling it. It originated from a book, did they pull the book too? It’s not like it’s a swastika.
The book is deny, delay, defend. The depose part refers to execution of the executives that say "deny, delay, defend"
ah, it’s super confusing because I think people have started to flood the Amazon books section with books by that title.
Honestly though, I thought it was a legal tactic used by insurance companies— like taking a deposition from patients or something. Seemed like something they would do to drag out the process, run up a patients own legal bills, and avoid paying a claim. Guess I was wrong.
Yeah I thought the same about depose.
I have a successful store through Amazon Merch program (the one all these shirts are sold through) and there is some serious shit about what is and is not allowed to be sold. Each shirt is sent through an approval process that is first automated, and then any that fail will go to manual review. They base the automatic review process off the text (anything from the description or title of the shirt to the additional bullet points that help the shirt sell). The filters are based on their own list of banned phrases, a database of trademarked stuff, and some arbitrary rules. A classic one was when someone trademarked the words "hot sauce" and Amazon took down anything that used those two words in sequence. If you have a flagged word or phrase, manual review happens, and this typically means a human will look through your whole catalog of products as part of the review. And usually, you get a max of like two warnings before they remove your store. And the appeals process is non existent - all the email responses are automated. Then there's this fun part - the terms of selling on the Merch program say that profits are only realized 60 days after the shirt sells, and that termination is immediate. Basically, they keep the last 60 days of profits from your account. So, they have this really volatile review process with no clear guidelines, no way to appeal, and a flaky TOS that allows them to skim 60 days of profits from each account they terminate. Type in "orca" with your Amazon search to see all shirts in the program (I guess it's some kind of dev passcode?).
I had a friend lose $20k of profit from this nice little loophole. Amazon really have a nice racket going on.
So I guess all this to say I'm not surprised they're doing it.
I spent about 6 months just trying to signup for an account. I kept getting locked out and sent in a loop trying to talk to support. I had to reverse engineer my way into creating an account (something about first creating a seller account, then registering as a customer for the same email, then setting up 2fa, then switching back to the seller)
Then I had to go off and buy barcodes and print new labels. When that was all done, I was locked out of my account. I went in loops again and eventually gave up.
I have an amazon seller account and ive never sold anything and never added a product. I dont understand how anybody uses that platform. Its trash.
Amazon keeps choosing to pull "deny, defend, depose" merch from online shelves.
The thing Bezos is most interested in manufacturing these days is consent.
Bezos stepped down as the CEO of Amazon in 2021, and also sold most of his shares to focus on his rocket company. Not disagreeing with your message, but Bezos doesn't have much to do with Amazon anymore.
He's still the largest individual shareholder, so has more to do with Amazon than any other single person.
That's fair, though I'd still say the CEO, leadership team, and other employees have more to do with running Amazon than someone who owns some shares.
I wish America worked like you think it does.
"Enyday, Efendday, Eposeday"
ROMANI ITE DOMVM!
Yet they continue to allow fake goods, as well as support scalpers (see nvidia cards).
Fuck Amazon for pulling them.
Why keep feeding the consumism that is part of the problematic system? DIY, the message would be undeniably stronger ;)
That's what Etsy is for, then.
Let them hate us so long as they fear.
Got mine already