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[-] [email protected] 71 points 7 months ago

I still don't understand why this isn't a 2.5G WAN and 2.5G LAN. Is it assuming that people are going to be using it as a router on a stick with a 1G WAN?

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

most likely because this device is mainly for wifi use, and/or limitation of the SoC.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

You want your $90 wi-fi router to do what now?

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm not sold.

Only two Ethernet ports. No SFP. Only available on AliExpress. Dishonestly marketed as the "first router designed specifically for OpenWRT".

Perhaps they are the first to make a router for OpenWRT the FOSS project, but certainly not the first to make one specifically for compatibility with the OpenWRT the Linux-based OS.

CZ.NIC (Czech Republic) makes several fully open-source routers under the "Turris" brand that run their own open-source variant of OpenWRT called "Turris OS". It's basically just an Open-WRT based distro with a custom frontend + root ssh and LuCI, and you can go vanilla if you want to.

GL.iNet (China) makes dozens of routers all designed for OpenWRT. They come standard with a custom install that includes a custom frontend and a handful of integrations, but you've gotta root ssh and LuCI, and you can go vanilla.

There are probably more out there. I think GlobalScale makes a few also, once on Kickstarter.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

This is link to CZ.NIC's Turris offerings.

They ship to "many countries" besides Czech republic, according to their page.

The router itself is quite expensive at around 400 euros for the wifi model.

In case it is not obvious, they are primarily Czech domain registrar.

[-] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Just pulled the trigger, only had European plugs in stock. I've got adapters so np. I'm getting it to replace my Raspberry Pi router that I've been using for a few years.

*Edit, I should say I'm a huge fan openWRT despite the fact that 15 years ago I managed to brick my linksys router so bad it actually caused sparks to shoot out the ethernet jacks. I flashed the wrong model firmware.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago

That's amazing, for software to be able to cause that!

[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

Power over Ethernet is a helluva drug

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

And also highly unlikely in the way described lol

[-] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

Of course, I just bought a new router, your all welcome

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Thank you for your sacrifice.

Which router did you go for, by the way?

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

I'm glad it's open hardware as much as open software, but I think I'll wait to see what the OpenWrt Two looks like.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

This is cool

[-] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

The next router I’m getting!

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

So, how is this any better than the Router Mini PCs you can find in Aliexpress (random example)?

[-] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

Most of those run OpenWrt or PfSense. Assuming the hardware is well-supported by the open source software it runs, there's a argument to be made that there's no difference. There's always the risk of them using some weird chipset that won't be supported in a year's time. The only difference is that the OpenWrt One is specifically designed for OpenWrt with well-supported hardware.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

If only it were a useful hardware configuration.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What's the point of having 1G on WAN and 2.5G on LAN? Traffic won't hit the LAN port until it's routed to the Internet, yet the WAN port is the bottleneck.

Edit: Seems like I switch up the port speed but my point still holds as the bittleneck still exist.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The LAN and WAN ports aren't labelled as such on the device and can be configured to do anything. The 2.5Gb port can also be used to take in PoE so for a lot of people - myself included - this will be the only port that's actually used, or at least the port that will be used the heaviest. The reason, I think, that it's configured as WAN by default is so that the LAN port can be used to plug a laptop in directly without disconnecting the whole network.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

This person knows openwrt haha.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Tranfering between devices on the LAN.

Edit: Wait, no, it's the other way around. 2.5 on WAN, and just a single 1GB LAN port. That absolutely doesn't make sense.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

This is a common setup for WiFi routers, where the idea is that most traffic will be on WiFi.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Isn't RAM like the biggest bottleneck in routers causing bufferblaot and packet loss?

How does the article not mention how much RAM this device has?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Packet loss occurs when a router has to drop some packets because the buffer to store them is running out because the link where they are supposed to go is overloaded.

Bufferbloat is the issue where you make your queues too deep, i.e. you allocate too much RAM to buffering, while the cause of the buffering still exists, so the deeper queue just fills up anyway, so you haven't improved anything, and have induced extra latency on the packets that do make it trough.

Deep buffers can help in situations where you have a step down in link speed, but only bursty and not sustained overloading of the slower output link.

The big bottleneck in router hardware is more about TCAM or HBM memory used to store the FIB of the global routing table. Since the table has grown so much the devices with less high speed memory can't hold the table anymore, and if they start swapping the FIB to normal memory your routing performance goes to shit.

So not all of your concerns seem to apply to this class of device, but of course you're right, The Register should have mentioned the RAM.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

GTFO, clicking on "buy now" two times results in some shop which has "aliexpress" as the official partner.

This can't be a product from the sources mentioned, can it?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

It says its a BananaPi product, and BananaPi uses aliexpress as a distributor according to https://www.banana-pi.org/web/index.php?topclassid=155&classid=155&lanstr=en&wap=1

checks out afaik

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Mmh only two Ethernet ports? I guess it’s for people who use mostly wifi only?

[-] [email protected] 59 points 7 months ago

It's just the router, I guess. Provide your own switch for more ports.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Exactly this. With VLAN tagging you can plug that single 2.5Gb connection into a 48-port managed switch and effectively have up to 47 different NICs if that's what floats your boat. They'd all share the 2.5Gb but that's still more than a lot of small networks need.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

The price is right for sure, but it's still sad they didn't shoot for wifi 7. It was a pretty big leap in latency reduction.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

It would be nice if they would make one with 4 or more LAN ports with at least one of them 2.5G and no WiFi. I need multiple access points to get enough coverage. The built in WiFi is useless to me since it won't integrate nicely with Unifi.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

You can hook it to a switch and a Wireless AP.. Now your networking is modular.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Is it available only though aliexpress?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I love the specs and the pricing. Will definitely check it out.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I need this router.

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