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This happened in Toronto on October 24th

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I heard Teslas are supposed to have manual release latches inside.

In any case, doors should always be manual anyway. This isn't the first time this happened and I'm surprised there isn't a regulation for this yet.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If we investigated car accidents like we did plane accidents we’d probably have banned them by now.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

We'd probably have high speed rail too instead of a vast expanse of highways

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Investigators arrive on scene. Immediately notice how the infrastructure was designed for gridlock rush hour where nothing is moving. Are appalled that the only safety training the motorists received was completed 20 years ago and never refreshed. Dismayed that these circumstances are permitted in densely populated areas.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They do have manual release latches, but if you have never used them they might be hard to find. Especially in the panic of a burning car.

Really vehicle electronic doors should operate the same way they (usually?) do in buildings - in case of power loss they default to unlatched.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

Power loss isn't necessarily a good choice even in a traditional ICE car with a battery, let alone one with a bigass EV battery.

Because it makes it super easy to break into a car (pop the hood and unplug two connectors) AND very likely will remain charged throughout much of the fire.

No. The answer is you have fucking manual locks and door handles that don't require you to pry open a panel.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The article says that some Model Ys don't have a manual release on the rear doors. Can't imagine how that passes any country's safety standards.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The BMW manual door release is pulling the handle twice. This kind of negligence is insane and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should slap them with a punitive fine and a mandatory recall.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

Oh Elon is definitely gonna kill that department.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and I'm surprised there isn't a regulation for this yet.

Don't be. Expect any existing regulations to be rolled back soon.

There definitely needs to be a way for people outside the car to open it. People involved in accidents are often incapacitated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The ones in the rear are hidden under a mat in the door.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

The model X requires you to remove the speaker grill to manually open the door.

You know, nice and intuitive.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"seemingly"

Ye, it seemed like it so we just decided we'd rather burn alive than to actually try opening the door.

News titles sometimes

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Fair, but at least they're reporting it and connecting the dots re: this tesla safety issue, which I haven't seen from any legacy media

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago (20 children)

The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.

Of course, let's blame the users 🙄

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

most Teslas come with manual release levers.

MOST?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Now, now, remember correlation is not causation. Maybe it's not the unintuitive design; maybe a disproportionate number of idiots buy Teslas?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In the case of the model Y referenced, this release is under a mat. You wouldn't see it in normal operation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In case of emergency, lift the floor mat and input the 16 digit release code.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

The 16 digit code can be found in the "My Data" section on x.com, assuming your account has been linked to your vehicle.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Explain to me how the engineers aren't guilty of manslaughter?

Look, I lasted one semester at engineering school, washed all the way out almost immediately. I still had to write a 10-page case study on an engineering failure, and the one I chose was the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 cargo door failures. They teach this shit in failing community colleges in purple states. The buck stops with the PE that signed the plans. Drag his ass into criminal court. The person who allowed this design to go to production does not need to be free.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

They won't because this would require a trial where rich people wouldn't benefit, which is a waste of government resources, which goes against the Department of Government Efficiency's goals. More efficient to throw these poor souls' families under the bus.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The people who design the Tesla cars are not engineers. They're a bunch of tech geeks who think they're engineers.

I mean, ask yourself this why is. Every single automobile that exists today with the exception of the Tesla can handle rain and car washes with absolutely no issues and yet Teslas have to have a special button to close off certain parts of the car so that the air intake doesn't get too wet otherwise the car ends up stinking horribly of mildew.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The people who design the Tesla cars are not engineers. They're a bunch of tech geeks who think they're engineers.

There is still someone's signature.

If needed, liquidate company.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where's the Safety FMEA! Show me the FMEA!

Risk 3452.7: feature, door. Function, opens during fire, failure mode: won't open during fire, trapping people inside. Cause: the darn things are electronic! So if the battery fails in a big ass fire with people inside, those fuckers are gonna cook real good! Engineering controls in place to prevent the failure mode: 200,000 units delivered in time! As in it took time to deliver the units. Risk rank: 😉 it's Frank! 😄 My name's Frank! Not rank!

Well I'm glad we took time to mitigate these risks.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

Further investigation shows that three of the four had recently posted mean things about Elon Musk on Xitter. A representative from the company issued the following statement. "It is unfortunate that the fourth passenger, who was seemingly innocent of blasphemy, chose to associate with the guilty parties. Sometimes collateral damage has to occur in our attempt to cleanse the population."

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (5 children)

CBC Link

I can think of only a few situations where you'd want to get out of a car quickly, where you'd have enough time to look under all the matte covers to find a manual door release switch that may or may not be installed. A fire is certainly not one of them. At the very least shouldn't they be equipped with a Nothammer...?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A lot of newer cars have stronger glass that even these or the spring-loaded kind can’t break.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If that's not illegal already it should be

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

tesla gonna tesla so I assume they are as dangerous as can be.

For the rest? There is always (?) one window that isn't reinforced. So that CAN be an issue if your cabin is significantly damaged. But otherwise? It is a problem to find in a high adrenaline emergency and you SHOULD be aware which window to smash, but you are 3-6 smacks away from being out.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Why cant’t the doors be manual on an EV?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago

Not cool enough for someone whose brain stopped developing at 15

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Of course they can, but then you don't get those slick flush handles. Ain't that a thing worth dying for?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Than you wouldnt look smart when a person sitting in your ev doesnt know how to open the door, and you smugly grin and show how stupid they look for not spending 30min on youtube and looking at videos how to open ev doors.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there an advantage to such an electronic door opener? If they have to include a manual release anyways, it really doesn't seem like they'd save space.

I guess, there might be novelty to just pressing a button, but not burning alive is also quite a cool feature.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It would be crazy sci-fi villian if Musk had mobile access to everyone's Tesla and he is just killing off customers he doesn't like by doing shit like refusing to unlock the doors.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Always have an emergency hammer in your car to break a window

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would that work in a car that purports to have bulletproof windows?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have a Civic with a manual door handle, but after reading your comment ... I think I'm going to get one to leave in the car just in case.

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