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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 hours ago

Reminds me of a time one of my friends was happy that it was going to warm up and said something like "it's going to be twice as warm tomorrow". It was going from maybe 20F to 40F or something.

That led to an interesting discussion.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 hours ago

Obviously we'd all die but I wonder how exactly. This would make a good question for Randall Munroe.

[–] [email protected] 192 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

30°C is 303 Kelvin. Half of that is 151 Kelvin, which translates into a fairly mild -122°C!

Takes out hockey stick

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

New strategy to prevent global warming: just freeze all of the CO2 out of the air!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 minutes ago

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

mmm, delicious carbonjack

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Wait, does it? Are joules in thermal energy per kelvin a purely linear relationship?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Fun fact: gas pressure changes linearly with temperature. If you make one of these plots at mild conditions you can extraplate the line down to zero pressure and measure where absolute zero temperature is

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

For the most part, it varies by material and state of matter, but assuming the chemical composition doesnt change and no material changes phase, then it is pretty close to linear in most materials.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 13 hours ago

Aka a cool 272 Rankine for our US folks.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This knowledge comes in handy with marketing BS around CPU coolers. If an aftermarket cooler gets a CPU to 35C when the stock cooler is at 70C, marketing will sometimes claim it cut temperatures in half.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

I mean.... that's literally half though

edit: I am not a science man and I am in over my head in this argument

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

to make the argument even simpler, that phrase wouldn't even mean the same thing to an english person as it would to an american.

In fahrenheit those temps would convert to 95f and 158f.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you convert those temperatures to Kelvin, they become 308K and 343K. Since Kelvin is absolute and we're measuring the same material, this tells you how much more thermal energy is there and their actual proportion to each other.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

thanks, this makes a lot more sense.

That being said, 70C down to 35C is a huge difference, relative to the temperature ranges we live in

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago

But it's not.

Celsius and Faernheit are interval scales, not rational scales. The absolute change from one number to the next is consistent, but since you can go into the negatives, 1 is not double 2.

Kelvin and Rankine are rational because they use an absolute zero.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

308.15K is not half of 343.15K

[–] [email protected] 26 points 13 hours ago (10 children)

I use this as an example for interval vs ratio; you can't halve Celsius because it's an interval scale where zero is arbitrary. Kelvin is ratio as it has an absolute zero-- you very much can halve it and doom near the entire planet next summer

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Granted. Celsius now range from 0 to 50

Edit: ... or whatever unit you prefer. It's still the same

[–] [email protected] 28 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Oh, it's way better than the alternative interpretation.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

0 is the freezing point of water 50 is the boiling point.

If it's 30°c outside, it will be only be 15 after the wish, thus fit what the character said

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

sure but you shouldn't take halves on a scale with an arbitrary 0

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

A good genie would instantly invent a metric of "number of degrees in excess of room temperature"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

I think it's fairly well known that there are no good genies. But otherwise, true.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

what, you never heard of the room temperature room?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's a room made from platinum-iridium, and kept in a triple-locked vault at the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in France.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

unfortunately, opening the door changes the temperature, so in practice instruments are calibrated from copies of the room built at other metrology institutions around the world.

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