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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 week ago (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Insane to start the plot at 45k. The rate of decline is rather minimal

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In the last 3 months it went down by about 10,000 users. Comparing with the rate of increase in total Lemmy users, active user rate should have at least been stable. I guess we will have to wait for reddit to fuck up again for another influx. And Lemmy is only getting better with time so probably on every influx more users are going to stay.

I try to get people from niche subs I follow to move to Lemmy but every time I do I get downvoted. Could be automated by reddit idk

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People generally don't like being proselytized.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right. Just make great lemmy content and screenshot it. Then when people ask for the source you provide the lemmy link

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The same plot with a more reasonable y-axis:

Active users (monthly is what you should be looking at) is very slowly declining, however we are still above the level that we were before the most recent influx.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Gotta ask why it seems to slowly decline after each influx, tho, rather than slowly rise or stay stable.

Seems at least some of these people are not liking what they find.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It used to be a much more significant decline, it seems to have leveled off mostly at 45k, so those who are left are pretty dedicated. I'm sure we'll get another influx if Reddit messes up badly again.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What counts as an active user? If you are a lurker do you still count as an active user?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You count as active if you post, comment or vote.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

If you vote, post or comment, you count as active user.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I've BEEN saying this for a while now. How Lemmy users need to welcome new people with interests that are different than their own. People from different generations than their own.

I've given ideas how to make starting an account easier. The concept of picking a home instance for someone who's never heard terms like "instance", "federated" or "decentralized" can be quite intimidating to start. And if you fuck up, and randomly choose the wrong instance? You have to start over. All your comment history gets left behind.

So people are going to choose the most active instance, trusting the idea that OTHER people know what they're doing.

I gave the idea that Lemmy needs to adopt standards across all instances so you can push a button and move your account. All your data would come with you.

Instead I was given a list of technical reasons why it would never work. The basis of these reasons came down to "it won't work because it would be a lot of work".

I hear a lot of people on here complain about corporate greed, and enshitification, but you gotta admit that they do get shit done.

In 2010 Steve Jobs was reviewing the new iphone prototype. Jobs said he wanted it slimmer, and wanted it airtight. The developers said it was pretty airtight, and there was no more room inside to make it slimmer.

Essentially telling Jobs that his demands were not going to be met because it would be a lot of work. So Jobs stood up, grabbed the prototype, walked to a fish tank, and dropped it in. It sank, and bubbles came out. Thus destroying it.

He said "See that? Bubbles. There's air inside, which means there's room inside. It also not airtight. Make it smaller, and make it airtight." Then he left the room. When it released to the public, the final design was smaller, and airtight.

Not saying it WON'T be hard work to make true account migration a reality, but it IS possible. The developers just figuratively need their prototype dunked in a metaphorical fish tank.

Because until this process is easier, and users are greeted with a friendlier userbase, people are just going to sign up, realize they fucked up, realize the experience isn't great, and leave. If they have access to reddit, they will leave.

It seems everytime I search for a topic all the results are from a year ago. Which suggests to me that reddit fucked up, users exploded here, gave it a chance, disliked it, and left.

Meanwhile, I point out just SOME of the glaring problems. But instead of embracing the problem and starting a think tank on how to fix it, my posts are instead turned into an echo chamber of how wrong I am. How the ideas will never work, and the problems presented persist to this day.

All because I'm thinking from the perspective of the normie 95%, and not the linux minded 5%. Which really places an artificial self installed glass ceiling on top of you.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 week ago (15 children)

It's amazing to me just how hassle-free it is to use Lemmy as opposed to reddit.

Rddit just feels like it's actively trying to get you to leave it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Reddit is like the late Roman Empire. It looks fine on the outside, but it's corrupt all the way down, powered by unpaid labor, and the lead pipes are slowly killing everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I migrated over to Lemmy a few weeks ago when the piece of shit Reddit app refused to load any posts but continued to load ads. I have found this community to be far more interactive, kind, and enjoyable to discuss pretty much anything with. I haven't found a reason to return to reddit at all.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have found Lemmy the most interactive of all the social networks I am a part of. It is my main home now.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I started using lemmy because of the reddit api fiasco and the platform really feels more alive now. Or maybe the bots got smarter.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

I'm sure it's little of column A and a little of column 01000010

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I don't care about "number go up".
Lemmy now has enough users to provide plenty of content, and really interesting new communities I've never seen on that other website are starting to pop up.
It also has its own memes and culture already.

You don't have 1000 comments under every meme post, but the comments that are there are usually worth reading.
It's not a reddit replacement - it's much better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There is still not enough people for niche topics.

It is the eternal struggle as more users come niche communities will improve or even exist, but general communities will get worse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe not every niche needs a dedicated community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They kinda do though. I can’t post about my gaming niche in a gaming community because it’s barely tangential, and still haven’t found 99% of the communities I had on Reddit.

Lemmy is good for /all, and that’s about it tbh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Which kind of gaming niche is it ? Are the subreddit mods open to creating a post presenting Lemmy as an alternative?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Simracing. We don’t relate to typical gaming at all. It’s all high end hardware, all very specialized and typically doesn’t interest normal gamers.

Subreddit mods are very against Lemmy or anything that moves them off the platform. The absolute butthurt rage for weeks after the protests proved that one right.

Mostly I just don’t see this platform as an alternative for medium sized communities. It works for large ones where there’s enough people that after a move if 25% transfer then you still have a lively community. Or for small communities where you can get 70%+ to move. But those mid size, 100k users on average communities trying to get them to move just ends up with a ghost town here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Have you tried [email protected] ? @[email protected] posted there 2 times in the last 2 days

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m actually a mod over there, but as a general consumer of content, there’s not enough to make it a viable community. It’s seen a little more activity recently, but is overall a fairly small and dead community.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's why I try to post more. It might be a problem that it's hosted on lemmy.ml though, as some instances block them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

You guys might consider moving it to a more consensual instance. You are on discuss.tchncs.de, that could be an option.

Feel free to also post about it on [email protected] , there might be other people interested on the topic

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

I feel like lemmy is in a decent place right now. The main page is busy enough with a good amount of OC and alright discussion. It's a lot to ask for 1000+ active niche communities. I have a few things that bug me and I'm not sure ballooning members would fix it: reddit-like anti-social behaviour, excessive reposts, and posts about MAGA people. I've blocked a lot of communities, some users, and very few nsfw instances.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I also was one of them. Still am, but also was

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Lemmy is one of the most harmful platforms I've ever been on.

Not even on Reddit have I spent so much time on here. Quality content and engaging conversations taking so much of my time and doomscrolling. I love you guys, keep it up.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I really hate graphs that start at 99% and top off at 100%

The gain is really next to nothing in the 2 months shown in this graph. It goes from ~1,456,000 to 1,468,000.... which is a 00.8% increase, less than 1%.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are we sure it's counting 1.5 M users and not 1.5 M memes posted by picard, pug, and squid?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Just wouldn't want any newcomers to the history communities to up and think the place was dead! Lemmy cannot live on Linux alone 🙏

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Lemmy at first was Abit barren but I'm super happy with it now. Let's hope we don't see reddit collapse and the masses turn their attention here like the digg event

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My biggest complaint is it's dominated by memes, and in a distant second is news, and that's kinda it. We need so much more diverse content still.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm a super happy new Lemmy user. Last week, I created an account on Reddit for the first time ever. I replied to 3 posts in a polite manner and right on topic (in a Linux-related community, someone asked for a book recommendation. The other two were answers to technical questions on Rust and Linux). A couple of hours later, I was reading about what shadowban meant. I waited a few days, sent some messages to admins / support but to no avail. Then I searched for alternatives to Reddit and landed here. It's been 4 days, and I absolutely love it here. Lemmy seems to have that spirit of the Internet of the 90s, which I thought was long gone. Also, my assumption is that Lemmy users are of a higher quality than those on Reddit. It's very easy to end up on Reddit / IG / Facebook / etc. On the other hand, to become a Lemmy user, one actually needs to apply some effort and do at least some research. Or to have a cool friend who can recommend becoming a user here (if you have a cool friend, that makes you kind of cool too, right?). I should probably start telling my friends about Lemmy 🤔

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The interesting thing to note is each website I go to that looks at the total number of lemmy users is wildly different. Im wondering if there is some sort of blocker/defederated instance occurred a couple of months ago? Im not sure.

Either way, number of users are up.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think counting fediverse users is about as difficult as counting e-mail adresses.

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