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The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

They first arrived at the beginning of July: dozens of masked white supremacists, shuffling out of U-Hauls, to march through Nashville carrying upside-down American flags.

A week later, members of a separate neo-Nazi group, waving giant black flags with red swastikas, paraded along the city’s famed strip of honky-tonks and celebrity-owned bars. The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting, harassed descendants of Holocaust survivors and yelled racist slurs at young Black children performing on a downtown street.

The appearance of white nationalists on the streets of a major American city laid bare the growing brazenness of the two groups, the Patriot Front and the Goyim Defense League. Their provocations enraged and alarmed civic leaders and residents in Nashville, causing the city to grapple with how to confront the groups without violating free speech protections.

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you punch a nazi, and you get two friends to punch a nazi and then they get two friends to punch nazis, before you know it, everyone is punching nazis.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

My favorite shampoo commercial, even better

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can't go around punching cops.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're not allowed to, but you definitely can.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Make the world a better place

Punch a Nazi in the face

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

My ex worked at a local screen printing shop, and I hung out there a lot and made some cash during big orders. I went to the owner with a simple "punch more nazis" design I made stoned, half jokingly asked him to burn the design so my ex could print it for me.

It was the business version of that genie "thats dope you still have 3 wishes" meme - "yea I'll burn it in the morning you know where the extras (leftover unused shirts) are 🤷‍♂️"

We never got along super well but we knew where we agreed lmao

[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The brazen appearance of white supremacist groups in Nashville left the city grappling with how to confront hateful speech without violating First Amendment protections.

The neo-Nazis poured into the historic Metro courthouse to disrupt a City Council meeting,

Arrest. Them. Holy shit, that's something that in any reasonably sized city would be worth at least a night in jail to cool off, even if you were some fucking normie instead of a neonazi fuck. It's not that fucking hard.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?

I don't want this sort of thing going on, but what law would justify jail time?

I mean maybe they did do something to justify it, but I don't know that disrupting a city council meeting should land people in jail. People also disrupt city council meetings when they try to pass anti-queer ordinances. And they should.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Arrest them for what exactly? Is disrupting a city council meeting anything but a civil infraction?

Criminal trespass, easy. Fuck, that's levied all the time as a club against left-wing protesters. Yet when actual neonazis show up, they get nothing? Fuck that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Criminal trespass...

Most city council meetings are legally open to the public. It is in fact their main purpose.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I think the answer to that is not 'also arrest the Nazis,' it's 'don't arrest the left-wing protesters either.'

Balancing the scales doesn't solve the problem.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (37 children)

Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.

And neither does playing by the gentleman's rules of boxing when your opponent is using brass knuckles. Fucking "They go low, we go high"? Did we not learn our lesson? If a weapon is used, the correct answer is to make the opposition see why that weapon was banned in the first place - it's the same reason why many signatories of the Geneva Protocol allow for retaliation if chemical weapons are used against them.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Balancing the scales doesn’t solve the problem.

Good point: the correct answer is, don't treat them equally, because they don't act equally. What we should be doing is exactly the opposite of what we are doing: fucking-up the NAZIs while leaving the left-wing protestors alone.

This is not hypocrisy, by the way. This is a simple application of consequences: those who do not respect the social contract do not deserve to be protected by it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

After seeing federal agents literally kidnapping people off the streets of Portland for "looking like protesters," yes absolutely they can arrest them even if the charges are bullshit or won't stick.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Civil disobedience can get you arrested, and while you might beat the rap, you can't beat the ride.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Both you and @[email protected] are arguing the same point. The only difference is @[email protected] wants nobody arrested and you want to also arrest the Nazis.

First of all ACAB let it be known. However I think it's more likely to get a local city council to allow for anyone using intimidating imagery, (defined by swastika and similar iconography) to be detained and removed from chambers. It's been done elsewhere with great effect.

The issue is how to get it enforced because unfortunately, those that burn crosses are the same that join forces.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/54960/public-display-of-swastika-in-the-us

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Treat them like our American predecessors did. If they're wearing swastikas then shoot the fuckers.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago

For starters, it can not arrest the bartender that punched a nazi after that nazi started a fight.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/dont-just-stand-by-man-recounts-being-hit-by-neo-nazi-protesters/

My dude didn't deserve to be arrested, he deserved to drink for free throughout Lower Broadway!

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I don't give a flying fuck about a Nazi's First Amendment rights, just like they don't give a flying fuck about anyone else's rights.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago

Jake and Elwood knew how to handle it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Arrest them for an unlawful assembly like they do to everyone else they don't want marching.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

No, that's only for black people and Muslims. "Unlawful" assembly for neo-nazis is just met with a shrug.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago

Gather up all of your neighbors and go punch some Nazi trash.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The greatest generation knew how to deal with Nazis. Flamethrowers, bombs, artillery & bayonets. That's all the conversation needed.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

No, no, you see, war is bad, therefore, we should take the high road and let the Nazis slaughter us while we lodge diplomatic complaints at the UN in the hope of getting them to stop, eventually, someday. /s

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Point.

Laugh.

Call them "weird".

Make them realize how unpopular they really are.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Briefly, then go all out ignoring them

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Laugh at and ridicule them. Make it very clear that you aren't scared of them and that they're rejects of society who amount to nothing. Take away their sense of power and they'll leave. It's worked in the past on several occasions.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why are you asking questions the mods won't let me answer?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There was a Nazi rally/anti-protest in my city like a year or so ago and all the LGBTQ+ people (including my sister and I) showed up to protest their bullshit with 3 times as many people and shut that shit down hard.

But it still pisses me off the city allowed those pricks to even gather in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

In 1943-45, you just shot them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I vote snipers.

Aim for the hoods.

This is why I don't get to run a town, but I stand by my opinion here.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Reload when it goes "click".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Exactly, I can't for the life of me imagine that these clowns are in the majority in any major city.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

They are being disruptive in a way that isn't kind; arrests would be the best way to deal with them. They are white nationalists, shouting slurs at black people who are fellow citizens in the USA, we should not let them believe this behavior will go unpunished. It will make it worse in the future, enabling hate groups to thrive is something a sane country should never allow.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

This is a good start: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r_UP_EiXwKA

May I also suggest setting up rotten vegetable stands at the farmer's markets?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Beat the ever loving shit out of them. Remember, you didn't see anything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

turn a blind eye to the black bloc stalking them

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

There are several amendments for that

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago
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