Some libs. I supported the Libya """""Intervention""""" when I was a lib and it was definitely a fell for it situation. Not that I wasnt responsible for my own ignorance.

The eternal liberal cycle:

Step 1 - "Phew, wow, that war we were just in ended. I think we still had good reasons to intervene.

Step 2 (5 years later) - "Hmm, you know, I've read more and more analysis of some of the bad things we/our allies did and I'm not so sure, this might be more complicated than I thought."

Step 3 (10 years later) - "Wow, this war was actually really nuanced and we might have even been in the wrong to intervene here. I've learned my lesson, I will be more critical of the next time we try and go to war! Fuck these forever-wars, what a waste of taxpayer money!"

Step 4 (just before next war) - "Holy shit, this country here is BAD. This is nothing like the last time, all the media is telling me about all these awful crimes this country has committed. We might need to once again step up and be the world's policeman. THIS time it'll be different and we'll be the good guys, because of XYZ reason."

Step 5 (war starts) - "BURN THAT COUNTRY TO THE GROUND. KILL THEM ALL. NONE ARE INNOCENT. ALL MUST DIE. BLOOD. BLOOD. BLOOD. I DEMAND THE BLOOD OF A HUNDRED MILLION RUSSIANS/IRANIANS/CHINESE/LIBYANS/ETC."

Back to step 1, repeat until the liberal is dead or becomes so withdrawn from politics that they no longer care. What's important is that the liberal never experiences any discomfort or the thought of protesting let alone rebelling against the war while it's actually ongoing. It's always something that happens in retrospective that allows them to feel better about being a shitty person because "Now I'm better and more worldly and understanding! Of course it was a bad idea to invade Iraq! Of course it was a bad idea to invade Vietnam!" without actually ever improving or becoming more resistant to US state media narratives in future wars.

It's happened for the last century and it will keep on happening until the collapse of the empire. I'm sure many of us know grandparents or parents that are still weirdly racist against Koreans or Vietnamese or Japanese or Arabs long after these wars ended and it's like "Man, I'm glad we're so enlightened today and we're not racists like them, why would you hate a country's citizens like that?" and it's like, my brother in christ, you will be that person but for Russian and Chinese people when you're in your retirement home when your kids visit.

And yes, it's just a coincidence the US arms industry is enjoying record profits

"This time it's different!"

I forgot history began 2 years ago

It's fucking hilarious to me that you said this as a ridiculous jest but the only difference between American liberalism and the current Russian state is that Russia is on its face "more corrupt". Like wow holy shit, Putin has effectively more visibly direct authority over Russia than a single U.S. President has over the United States, that makes them so radically different holy moly. It doesn't matter that their societies are both the result of capitalist oligarchy privatizing almost anything it can get away with, all that matters is that Putin is a big meanie-bo-beanie and U.S. Democrat presidents aren't as openly nefarious

Basically what I'm saying is yes

Darn liberals invaded Ukraine.

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Russia is a neoliberal state much like america, so yes actually.

You joke, but yes. The Russian Federation is a Neoliberal economy, just like we made them.

uh, let me coup here

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Yes. You're starting to understand. Now you have to ask yourself why liberals are invading Ukraine.

Oh don't even bother with this instance they're all Putler-bots or Drumpfian Tankies; I can't tell which is worse.

In 2014 yes that is correct

I don't know if you count it as an invasion, but giving the Ukrainian Armed Forces the child-murder rounds that stay active in the ground for decades is surely not a position of moral superiority? And liberals are just as guilty as Putin for this war by engaging in NATO expansionist brinkmanship in Ukraine.

o boy what are you doin gin here , dont you know you worldview will die.. ?

Yes, many of the Russian armed forces are liberals too, and serve in accordance with liberalism.

There's a lot of liberal infighting there. It's not exactly new.

Antitank missiles

Literal fucking cluster munitions that will blow away Ukrainian children for the next 100 years

Literally whataboutism / whataboutery. 😞

Are you suggesting that this war has not made liberals more insane and bloodthirsty than we've ever seen in a previous modern war?

I'm just commenting so future me will be reminded of this thread