Have seen users from db0 genuinely learn about communism and radicalise because of their exposure to this space. Every single defederation reduces the number of people that get radicalised by our existence.

Flatworm is a dumbass though. Obligatory: https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickBigHorseCharlieBitMe-e2zKKUMBO_pVNOhd

Also recently came across Vijay Prashad talking about the word a while back: https://youtu.be/tsqE9kEsDVY

This is amusing because these people all love Chomsky and Prashad+Chomsky both work together, Prashad is unironically one of the people they would call tankie and the two have an extremely close relationship, literally writing books together. Prashad's institute (tricontinental) published this on China's Socialism 3.0

Just a few things to think about in case any of you db0 anti-tankie folks are lurking.

I always feel that we should leave the door open just in case some of their users are based, or can be convinced, just like I was convinced.

I was a Reddit lurker escaping to Lemmy and was already anticapitalist but just had a bunch of brainworms left. I didn't trust the "red fash tankies" based on all the stuff that's everywhere. But scrolling around lemmygrad and hexbear for a while had me scratching my head and wondering what all the fuss is about. Clearly you guys are NOT some kind of weird crypto fash thing but are actually very educated with sound analysis of history and politics. So if there are more people like me who are curious, then we should leave the door open.

Of course, if it becomes untenable (like how shitjustworks went full nazi bar) then we shouldn't bother exposing our comrades to bigoted harrassment. Yes, it seems like the admin(s) are libs, but a piracy-based instance is always gonna have some anticapitalist lean, so it's less likely for dbzer0 to go full nazi bar.

>named unruffled
>is clearly ruffled

there are some good users there that occasionally post here but if db0 has revealed themselves to be a full-on reactionary things from that instance will only get worse

I've been quite outspoken about how I think Unruffled and db0 are total clowns, but aside from the mods, I don't have much of a problem with the instance itself. One of their own users even reported db0 for being a bootlicker lmao, so they're alright in my book.

:gulag

Banning the admins but not the instance is just too good of a bit.

EDIT: changed my vote to stay, people here are right, banning the admins and then staying federated is a phenomenal bit.

lmao fuck em. Anyways, for anyone who wants context on the dm harassment stuff, here is our lovely convo.

The last post came in right before they were banned. I don't know if any response would go through, and frankly I don't care to continue the conversations.

Also, the operandi thing was very much to tilt them. Anyone who has seen me type here knows I physically cannot type "you", it only comes out as "oyu".

Further also, they edited their second comment:

The link is to here. No idea what doomtown is, but the card art is neat. The pfp still looks like linkara trying to trike a pose. Anyone who wishes to continue mocking that pfp, go here.

I've had runins with unruffled (critical levels of ruffled) before. I find them both distasteful. There are a handful of db0 users I like. They are welcome to migrate here, or to any of the instances still federated with us. The rest of them,

Is anyone actually bothered by these guys? They do more to show people how liberal foreign policy is just imperialism than I do.

Don't ask me, I'm a non voting felon

it's really funny to be federated with an instance that we've banned the admins of and I want to maintain the bit for as long as possible because they're the only abject toxic actors that there's an actual conundrum dealing with on the site, and they're dealt with, so unless they pull some bullshit with socks/targetted fuckery through some abuse of federation which would get them seen as a bad actor not just on hexbear, it's not a problem. No matter what, the outcome is funny and/or pathetic.

also love that part of the tide shift on this is people realizing how funny the current situation is

Since I'm tankie-adjacent (meaningless term, more lore in the original post) and had to do with the affair I'll just voice my opinion: I've seen many good people coming from that instance, both on hexbear and outside hexbear, some of them even comrades. Punishing them for the actions of their mod team seems a bit too much to me. The offenders have (rightfully) been banned from this instance, and on the rare occasion a wandering lib will post on here we can all PPB them, I'll join too.

Also, semi-related but I love how just by shitposting on a piracy community I caused an inter-instance diplomatic crisis and had 2 (PoS) admins banned, lol wasn't my intention but I'm glad they showed their true self, so to say.

Edit: also remaining federated while having the admins banned is such a power move lol, "hate da gubmyent not da paypoohl" but for real this time

Stay fed'ed. "Posting isn't praxis" yada yada, yeah, but there are plenty of radlibs who call themselves anarchists that are ripe and even open to being properly radicalized. When hexbear gets cut off from other instances, it makes it all the less likely that well-meaning radlibs will have a chance to see good, genuine leftist takes, which does influence them (as many have outright said.) Dbzer0 serves as part of the pipeline from radlib to actual anarchism and/or communism. Defederating effectively caps the pipe at radlib and we shouldn't do that unless absolutely necessary to protect BIPOC/trans/neurodivergent/etc. users here. And I think it's safe to say dbzer0 as an instance is far from being a danger in that way.

Fuck those enlightened centrist "anarchists", let them whine about how authoritarian it is that they can't comment here anymore after acting like assholes and having "nuanced views" on genocide.

Still, I think the instance has some good people that would be a shame to lose if they aren't ready yet to make an account here. Being open to instances that resemble more closely the actual society we're trying to change will always be a great way for people to get radicalised and take their first steps of learning about Marxism and socialism.

I changed my mind, staying federated but banning the admins is hilarious.

I don't normally vote in these things but I think it would be pretty funny if we were federated with an instance where all the admins have a permanent ban. I don't think the average user is too bad, just keep mr Divided By Zero and Jeff Bridges Avatar lib banned.

Pls dont I like it here

The dbzero0 users have been cool. If the admins are actually a problem, then they'll escalate or defederate themselves eventually, but in the meantime their cooler users will have more time to decide to jump ship to hexbear. If banning their admins while not defederating them is actually enough to stabilize, and everything works out, then that is extremely funny.

I like their cool users and hope they come to Hexbear but the admin team is unbelievably embarrassing and infantile. DM harassment is completely unacceptable and as admins they should know that acting that way is gonna get their whole instance defederated

I'm recusing myself because i never wanted to federate in the first place but why do people think coming here and arguing that we're red fash tankies is a good use of their time?

It's so much better to remain federated with just their admins banned.

As revolutionaries, we don't have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.

Banning the admins of an anarchist instance is just common sense. The good dbzer0 users make federating the instance and banning reactionaries on a case-by-case basis worth it, IMO

No need if those shitty admins were banned. There are cool people on the instance and we can ban the rest.

It's gonna be a tentative from me. I see the argument for defederation but honestly db0 is like the most harmless kind of shitlib and I find his contributions to the internet slapfight more cute than anything. If it were my choice I'd unban db0 with a stern warning or whatever, keep this unruffled loser banned, and stay federated

I think we should be federating more, not axing the few left

I've seen increasing numbers of dbzero users with decent opinions around here lately, and I mostly like their piracy comm.

the argument that staying federated with their admins banned is a very good bit won me over

A regrettable, but necessary, .

honestly i think the threshold for defederating with other instances should be very low, and harassment from instance admins is certainly above that. If we defed from an instance, the worst thing that happens is... people from one instance can't use the same account on the other. The horror!

I don't care if that makes our community less discoverable, or lessens the flow of dunkable libs. Having a non-shitty place on the internet to enjoy isn't something to take for granted.

I think banning problem users is always better than cutting off entire instances. I do feel guilty for the work it causes mods/admins.

If the offending users are banned, it should be fine. The moderator on DB0 that caused this whole mess was just your classic internet mod taking a meme personally and getting offended. I still don't understand how someone can get offended at first world privelege getting called out, it's the most obvious and visible type of privelege that even libs and chuds recognise. To deny it's existence would be to live in an alternative reality and be even more insulated than your average lib or chud.

There’s some good people on there who could be comrades. They’re welcome to make accounts here if they care enough