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All my friends are like, "Flakes, what is the deadliest gun I can get?" and i take a deep breath before going into the Gun Owner speech
I'm I correct in saying "just get an AR or Glock and spend the rest of your effort learning safety and usage."? So much of gun ownership dialog is just about the products and I think is marketing driven.
Yeah, that's a big part of it
But I also drill them on first aid and injury treatment because those are even more valuable skills than just being able to pop a guy in the face
you mean center mass, right?
Yeah, but they're video game people
They were asking me how hard it is to pull off a headshot and I spent 30 minutes telling them about how you shouldn't even be trying for that and how it's more important to know how to treat a wound
It's weird having to tell people who are almost 40 these things when I learned them before I was 18
An AR-15 or 9mm PCC would be my gold standard for one gun, with a 9mm sidearm, but for first timers I always recommend a 10/22. It's mechanically simple, ammo costs like 10% of 9mm or 5.56mm, and the recoil/sound profile are very light. To learn to shoot properly they need to shoot a lot while practicing safe handling and a 10/22 does both well.
And if anyone is worried about the usefulness of .22, ~~it's the caliber the CEO shooter used isn't it?~~ I was mistaken, but in a shooting of that type .22 could be effective, though it will have a lower range if one is looking for distance.
It's a proper deadly bullet that enters the body and bounces around without the energy to overpenetrate. Range-wise it's somewhat better than a handgun but still within 100m or so. Distance shooting is such a specialised skill and set of circumstances that you're probably a lot more likely to need to use it within that 100m than beyond it.
Very true about range, especially any kind of urban environment, 100m is really all you need. But if things really get to a proper war or civil conflict in the US there is such massive open space that I could see long range sniping being a valuble skill, but who knows how anything is going to play out in the long term.
No he used subsonic 9mm with a suppressor
Tbh if you're getting a 10/22 to learn and you're ever gonna get a handgun, I'd get a tx22 first/instead. Long guns are more intuitive and forgiving than handguns.
Plus the tx22 is a much better value than the 10/22 compared to their respective alternatives. A $100 22 rifle is perfectly adequate if you're solely getting it to learn with. And the tx22 is just a really good gun despite the low price.
A .22 handgun is also good but I don't have experience with them. In fire drills I've done with a 9mm handgun and an AR-15, I was able to put more rounds on a target faster with the handgun. The only thing I don't like about practicing with the 9mm alone is that I'm not really shooting from different positions, only a standing stance. The rifle encourages you to crouch or lay down which I prefer when shooting.
edit: As for rifles, I personally love the X-22 backpacker stock for the takedown version of the 10/22: https://magpul.com/x-22-backpacker-stock-ruger-10-22-takedown.html . The rifle is so light and versatile while breaking down into a small daypack. The stock has a watertight compartment for a small survival kit. Unless I'm in grizzly bear country, it's the one gun I'd bring into the backwoods.
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You planning on shooting an elephant stranger?
MAYBE IF THE ELEPHANT IS A NAZI IDK
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My friends are flabbergasted that a 1 hour gun safety course is not enough and that I said any shop/range that lets you go ham after that is a dangerous place to be.
The range I go to has a 15 minute video you watch ๐
Oh yeah, especially if they only get you started with a .22 and then let you go loose with the big stuff
The place they wanted to go has either a rifle (I assume .22) or handgun training (each 1 hour) but, get this, they promote you renting and shooting anything you want after taking either. So if you take safety for a .22 they will let you rent and shoot a magnum.
Oh, that's not good
That's how you get people bashing their faces up with recoil
Yes or even shooting themselves/others. It takes knowledge and practice to handle that recoil, especially if, like one of my friends, you are very skinny and not strong.
there is a correct answer, but not for the reasons you'd think: https://www.thetrace.org/2023/04/sig-sauer-p320-upgrade-safety/
Yeah, that's always a concern, but it's also just sort of disconcerting that there's going to be a lot of people who don't know anything about guns suddenly grabbing something very dangerous