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Cities do suck dick though.
Too loud, too many people, not enough trees.
they're loud almost entirely because of cars btw: https://youtu.be/CTV-wwszGw8
Where in the world are you going to live in a big city without cars?
Even Chinese cities, which rely heavily on public transport, are packed with cars.
Amsterdam, it's so incredibly serene. Higly recommend visiting.
I lived outside of traffic in the downtown of a city and it really just becomes white noise tbh. When Im walking somewhere I usually wear headphones and listen to music anyways. Im pretty introverted so city commotion was a little overwhelming at first but it was 100% preferable, and ironically I feel rural areas and suburbs are more overwhelming (eg being more nosey) for me now. Even with cars, living in a walkable city is pretty great, fuck towns, most young people in small towns wanna gtfo and live in the city for a reason.
I lived in an apartment on the busiest street in the city right in the middle of downtown.
The noise drove me nuts.
Same, I was on the second floor too. It’s not ideal for people who get overstimulated easily I guess, I think cities are great for most people but I guess not everyone
Oddly enough I got overstimulated from my roommates cooking and clanking bowls and shit, but was able to block car noise out because it was so consistent and really just sounded like white noise.
I think it also make things better depending on what floor you’re on + how much noise insulation your apartment has. I live in a small town for the time being and am just counting the days to leave, our house is by a main road anyways so the traffic noises are just as bad
Yeah, I get that.
There are a lot of things I do like about living in cities. I like being around cultural zones, having things to do, having access to all kinds of goods, and having lots of places to eat.
I've never stayed in a small town for a prolonged period of time, so maybe it would wear on me too. But man... Cities can just leave me drained so much of the time. Luckily my current apartment isn't noisy.
Venice? Lol
Cities with good public transportation being packed with cars speaks to the absurd inefficiencies of cars--not their necessity.
If most cars are going to be electric at some point that would help a lot with the noise.
^ average suburban lover
This is why I hate the city. The mere mention of preferring not to be surrounded by cars, smog, and noise is met with sneers by elitist dickheads.
You're not hot shit because you live in a city pal.
Elitist? Brother you literally started the thread saying cities suck dick and depicted yourself as chad.
They do, I'm not saying rural life is objectively better though. It's all trade offs, I prefer the rural areas. Why do you cringe at the idea that someone would prefer to live in the rural areas. I can understand why you'd live in the city. I just won't accept when shitheads looks down on me for my preferences.
The aspiring urbanists here have a hard time believing that some of us feel very agitated living in cities.
It's really just a personal preference. I don't like living in crowded places. It's not anti-social or misanthropic. I like other people. But I get agitated in crowded areas. It makes me unhappy to be constantly surrounded by people.
I don't need a personal fief. I don't care if I lived in a collectived area where I was close to my neighbors. That sounds fine. But it's important to me that I have nature available to me. So if I could walk out of my collective into some trees I don't own, that would be great. Public parks are okay, but they aren't the same, and they're always packed with people, too.
I'm sorry, but there's no way to reimagine cities in a way that they won't be crowded and noisy. People make a lot of noise just bustling about without cars. Some people like that feeling, and that's cool. But I don't.
Okay, thanks comrade.
I guess I should have been clearer and not attached my opinion to someone else's. For the record, I agree with you that these places need to be reimagined.
This is the second time that I've had a similar conversation on Hexbear. From my perspective, I'm just saying I don't enjoy cities, and I get a bunch of people telling me that, actually, I do like cities.
I understand why that's happening now.
"Man I hate my farming job because of shitty pay and long hours."
"Uh actually, the shitty pay and long hours is not an essential characteristic of farming so you're being a conservative."
The possibility of things getting better does not make living in the city now any more pleasant.
Your pro-city rhetoric plays into the neoliberal dichotomy of cities being civilized places and rural areas being filled with country bumpkins. I don't think you're a neoliberal though because I can understand how sharing one view doesn't mean you believe the same thing.
No it doesn't. It literally does not mean this in any meaningful way. I specifically prefer the rural areas because I have better access to local community and state parks. My love for nature is just about the most collective it can be. I can't believe people on hexbear are unironically stating it is individualist and supportive of landownership to enjoy nature.
Your analogy to farm wage-labour is silly. Yes, those those thoughts are actually wrong /in form/, and yes it is a characteristic of reactionaries to essentialize existing conditions. But the point is that you cannot stop there as that would conceal its contradictory elements, its laws of relation, and so on.
Yes the farm worker is suffering under low pay, and long hours, but what's important isnt the just the truth of said claim, but the /history/ of its development. No, wage-labour is not natural--it had a historically specific development, so how did it come about and what are its contradictions, what is the specificity of farm work compared to other kinds of work, etc., Etc...
Without a dialectical, historical materialist approach we cannot understand the world scientifically, and thus all of our actions will be blind in a sense.
So given the discussions about cities and suburbs the question is /why/ are they like that--we all already know /what/ it is--so what is its concrete history that lead to its specific form today? With that know that valorizing a thing is not just valorizing its affect, but also its valorizing its history, and its function within the system as a whole. You may say that the comment you've made are simply about personal preference, but there is an (unconscious) probably) ideological component underlying them.