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natalie shut your dumb cracker ass up
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watch her stupid ass cry “i said UNFORTUNATELY” when people give her shit for this like that makes it better
also “60,000”. genocide denial. nobody actually believe israel has only killed 60,000 of these people
And neither did anyone else, that's just a strawman she created in her head to own the "tankies"
thats the comment of the person she replied to so she didnt create that strawman. shes literally replying to an the question where that is used
i still think the usa isnt "uniquely evil" and i stand by that as i do not believe in american exceptionalism even in the evil department
"the US/the west" is not in fact the same thing as "the US government"
In the current moment, yeah, "the US/the west" basically is uniquely evil, because they make up the imperial core and as a result are simply capable of more harm than any other group. You don't have to be particularly charitable to get that comment to a context where it's pretty damn reasonable.
she said in modern history which covers about 100 years. the japanese invasion of china and unit 731 would certainly fall into that category and they are definitely not "the west" and their specific evilness is more unique than just having power at any given moment. unless you dont count that which in itself is western chauvinist
the other person did not say anything about the "current moment", by the way. you added that
Yeah, they were really bad, but I'm not going to quibble about if 731 was truly and literally "unique" because Mengele also existed, and so did several other projects of torture and murder, though most of the ones that exist at this moment (especially per capita) are being run by either the US or the allies it has the firmest allegiance to, like Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The problem with the US as far as this conversation goes is not simply "having power" and it's absurd to characterize it that way. The proximate issue is not that one country is a big boy and it's unfair on all the human ants that it has license to step on, though I do think ultimately you could argue that that is the problem, but that's also fundamentally the problem with any sort of tyrannical imperial states, such as WWII Japan. If they didn't have the power to enforce it, viewing Chinese and Korean people as lower than animals would still be a problem, but would be a more mundane (albeit still serious) social issue and not a world-historical crisis.
Your attempt at a faux-progressive uno reverse is embarrassing.
Later you say:
hmm . . .
That would be why I said "You don't have to be particularly charitable to get that comment to a context where it's pretty damn reasonable." C'mon, basic reading comprehension please?
In any case, "Oh no, someone did a little hyperbole and didn't fully define their context, now I have no choice but to do imperialist apologia" is not really a great position for Contra to take even if it's true that the person she's responding to spoke a little carelessly.
look at first you were saying nobody said the one thing, which they did, and now you want to get all bent out of shape because she didnt phrase this thing in an exact way to agree which is pretty much what i said in my very first comment that you took issue with. it seems to me like you just want to "win" an argument on the internet so here's your victory. i give up. i dont care about natalie or this petty bullshit to say anything further
I feel like it's fairly safe to assume that that person is saying the US is a unique evil at this specific point in history, which is obviously not what Natalie is saying with her purposely vague "modern history" shit. Oh, so more people were killed in WWI than in Gaza the past 18 months? Guess everything is fine then, so get out there and vote blue no matter who!