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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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English-language twitter account that collates news.
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Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] [email protected] 83 points 19 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 33 points 16 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 81 points 19 hours ago

Legitimately, this might be a play to get him to wind down the war/not attack Iran and tell Israel to cut it out finally. Other people have proposed nominating him for the NPP if he can get Israel to actually stop.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 18 hours ago

Yeah this is a great play imo, best thing Pakistan can do to convince Trump not to strike Iran is this.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 19 hours ago

Trump is going to win the Nobel Peace Prize for the next 4 years.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 15 hours ago

Trump will deserve it for destroying the American Empire.

[-] [email protected] 38 points 17 hours ago

Trump might discover the do nothing; win strategy and use it to rack up NPPs.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Nobody has more Nobel Prizes than me. Nobody. Every year they kept telling me that I’m the best president ever. Thank you, President Trump, they told me, for keeping the world peaceful.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 19 hours ago

Free Imran Khan you fuckers

[-] [email protected] 32 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The entertainment world and the libs would be big mad at my idea - but give him "honorary peace" awards so he eventually gets an EGOT which is an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. Give him one award like every two months starting next month. And let him know that if he starts a war - he won't be able to complete his EGOT.

EGOT, an acronym for the Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, and Tony Awards, is the designation given to people who have won all four of the major performing art awards

[-] [email protected] 36 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

make trump brezhnev via entertainment awards is certainly a novel idea soviet-hmm

hegseth, we gotta nuke timbuktu

mr trump, i just received word you are getting tony award

ah well, that does put me into good mood, never liked involving myself in east asian affairs

[-] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

a-little-trolling horn of africa is in west asia, folks, nothing you can do about it

(i'm joking)

[-] [email protected] 12 points 17 hours ago

We got Asia, East Asia, Latin Asia, Europe, Kangaroo Europe, US, and Ice Europe, the seven continents

[-] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

googlemaps: ✍

[-] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 30 points 19 hours ago

Honestly not a bad idea, and they can also let him organize or host the award shows too. He would love deciding all the decorations, pageantry, and the possibilities for celebrity gossip.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 18 hours ago

celebrity gossip.

Maybe I shouldn't say this. People will get mad if I say this. But George Clooney said bad things - many bad things - about Sydney Sweeney's dress. Shows way too much.... you know - skin. But I think... I have different ideas. I have a different opinion. Also - classy dress - very, very classy. How can classy be bad?

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In some alternate universe - Trump is some z-lister gossipmonger host with a show on an some obscure cable channel that nobody watches.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

In some alternate universe - Trump is some z-lister gossipmonger host with a show on an some obscure cable channel that nobody watches.

He is a natural-born showman.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

What happens when we run out of American awards? Do we convince the British to give him a BAFTA? Or better, give him a damn knighthood. Give him all the knighthoods. The liberals will scream about the Emoluments Clause again but, that didn't stop him the first time.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago

Give him all the knighthoods.

They wanted to give me all the knighthoods but I said no to the stool thing. I don't want the stool thing. But everything else good. And now I have the world record for knighthoods.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 19 hours ago

Did trump back pakistan during that thing?

[-] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

No, but the USA helped negotiate a ceasefire while Pakistan was getting hit hard by Indian stand-off strikes on their military sites, while the Pakistani stand off strikes against Indian military sites did little damage. That's not a sustainable place for Pakistan to be in for an extended period of conflict.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 19 hours ago
[-] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago

So this is being caused by recent events instead then?

They have a reason for doing this.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

Timing is very convenient for sure

[-] [email protected] 34 points 19 hours ago

Probably stoke his ego in the direction of being a peaceful dove.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

It's a pretty clear indicator which side Pakistan considers itself to be on in this conflict

[-] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

well for one they could have saved face by getting stopped via usa, so it could be slightly sincere. more likely just open simping, it's fairly widely speculated he wants peace prize, why not

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I mean if Obama has one and he avoids a war in Iran, why not? Well to answer my own question, because he supports the genocide in Palestine. But still, maybe it'll make him in a peace keeping mood and start the precedent of him defying Israel.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago

real pivotal leadership hours

bean

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