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American Jews who what? We can't keep infantilizing them, they are ignoring a genocide by bringing up "hostages" that even bibi doesn't care about.
they're genocide supporters, yes. A 10 year old with leukemia waving an israeli flag is also a genocide supporter. that doesn't make them a strategically sound or particularly high-ranking assassination target
These incidents aren't about strategically sound actions, they're spontaneous acts of outrage against a genocide the Western world seems to have deemed no big deal. This is the price the rulers of the West have decided as acceptable to continue supporting genocide. These acts will continue, no doubt about it, and who are we to stay they should stop? May not be strategically sound, but can you honestly say it's immoral to kill a supporter of an active genocode?
I am not saying its immoral, i'm saying its counterproductive-- precisely because everyone who isn't an terminally online leftist thinks it's immoral
Who gives a fuck about what the average american thinks? The average german in the 1930s has the same political views as the average american.
Trying to garner public support after 2 years of genocide is worthless.
"They are acting on their values with consistency and continuity. Committing massacres against innocent civilians does not trouble their conscience any more than you stepping on a bug troubles your conscience.
They don't see anything to feel guilty about, they feel that they have done something good. You have to understand this because if you don't you will severely and dangerously underestimate their danger, and you'll make the fatal mistake of believing that you'll ever appeal to their sense of morality, that you can ever appeal to their conscience.
And you make the catastrophic mistake of trusting them or trusting their intentions, and Wallahi there are tens of millions of their victims crying out from their graves telling you not to trust them. "
https://youtu.be/aTeakaJRBPY
the average american is against israel. doesn't mean they're for attacking zionists. that's the critical issue here.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
And they're saying "who cares". We don't control these actions, they're spontaneous. Whether they are productive or counterproductive is irrelevant, they're just a part of the background radiation of our society now. They are a symptom, and Americans really really love the cause and won't let it go so here we are.
The crying over adventurism and optics is getting old. It's going to happen either way. People are doing adventurism because they are rightfully frustrated at the open support of their own government, their own complicity by virtue of paying taxes if nothing else, and the lack of any other options, and no, some march or demonstration doesn't count as an option.
I could still wish that they would pick better targets, like the Palestine Action groups in the UK, as part of the conversation even if I acknowledge things like this will happen. Target boats that send weapons, or MIC company buildings, or places high up personnel would be. But then these types tend to be a little unhinged, and impulsive, not really the "planner" type, so that's probably a bit more beyond their field of vision than the local pro-Zionist walk.
The American public's opinion re: the genocide is entirely irrelevant. There's a far better chance that consistent stochastic terror acts against Zionists convinces the US elite to stop providing support to Israel than the opinions of the public. There's no need for the USAmerican state to listen to the will of the public, and indeed they never have unless backed up with the promise of violence.
not sure how to square this with our narrative that genocide cost
enough votes to matter
I'm not saying the American public doesn't care about the genocide. I'm saying even if 90% of the American public wanted the genocide to end it wouldn't matter because those in power won't stop supporting Israel. The United States isn't a democracy in the sense that the government listens to the will of the public.
It doesn't lol. The American left just runs with whatever narrative it feels comfortable with. Kamala losing because of her Zionism was just blatantly made up too. Very little if anything the American left thinks is rooted in the actual politics of the US proletariat and it leads to inconsistency and spontaneity.
the hardest part of being able to tell what happened in a US election and how it might have gone differently with different decisions is that nobody ever talks to people who didn't vote but are amenable to voting in general.
Simple, it's continuity of agenda. You think it wouldn't have escalated to complete blockade and starvation if Harris had won?
Regardless, the genocide continues no matter how the election played out.
i dare say it would be worse under a biden part 2.
they didn't even have the sense to lie to us about it, much less find a more reaganesque 🤮 figurehead who would make israel back down, and i think lying about being zionists or finding some non-zio neolib would've won. of course this is all assuming they wanted to win which they didn't so
Because the elections are rigged to operate on razor thin margins. In that case a few voters here and there can interfere with their plans. It can't meaningfully change anything but it can be slightly inconvenient
Because they further strain from understanding towards the aesthetics of revolutionary acts. Idealist thinking.
Is the genocide something that cost kamala votes or do americans not care at all and somehow won’t develop an aversion of people being randomly targeted (in their minds).