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Let him go, ~~he is based~~
Honestly he does suck (ableism)
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“Why not just have him committed? You can’t possibly be gaining anything from a relationship with a person like that.”
“Just put him in a padded room and forget about him. If there was a person you loved, he’s gone now. Let it go.”
“I’m just tired of hearing about this guy … He’s useless, we get it. Stop complaining and just dispose of him.”
Every single person on this website has said something in private at some point in their lives that, when stripped completely of context and publicized without their consent, would make them look worse than this single cherry-picked instance of personal weakness. Klippenstein, for all the value I think he has as a journalist (compared to his peers anyway), is still an American liberal anticommunist. He dug through a decade of private chats specifically looking for the most controversial things he could find, and this is the worst thing he could find to say about a committed communist sacrificing his life for the cause of Palestinian liberation.
^^^^ This guy is going away to prison for his whole life. He obviously shouldn't have done it, and shouldn't have said that stuff about his friend's brother either. But the least we should do is extend a bit of grace and show him solidarity.
Yeah you'd get banned for saying that shit here, I hope.
Mostly based with bannable characteristics.
Sounds like a lemmy.ml user, Hexbear is safe.
hey that's me
Hexbear Walter White in the car screaming at Hank.ml as the feds roll us.
someone would rightly get banned here for saying a lot less than any of those statements alone.
Say that shit to my face or any of my comrades and I’m throwing hands. Not in some bullshit machismo tough guy way either. More like a I’m seeing red and am now trying to kill you type shit.
Fuck all the way off with that. You don’t get to cosplay as a comrade and then say some fascist bullshit.
Really depends on how fucked up the shit the schizophrenic person gets up to was tbh. Some are extremely problematic and very difficult to handle, like a danger to everyone around them, keep knives in locked drawers and expect daily instances of real and damaging violence, if they get sharp objects expect real and serious injuries, always have emergency first aid on standby... That kind of serious.
I can very much see how someone can come to the "this isn't something you should be handling at home" position at the extremes of this condition. I can also see how some people could be so committed to NOT using a dedicated mental health home too though and having it destroy them and everyone around them.
It could be a very difficult one we don't understand fully without greater context.
Is a very fucking far cry from "you can't handle this at home". It sounds like he went full eugenics on the basis of "having to hear about it online", which is not a good look. Maybe the full context is different but I have been pretty fucking ground down without ever suggesting someone "dispose" of their brother because I was sick of hearing about it.
Honestly as someone who's been committed if I was going to be committed indefinitely I would prefer it if the person doing that out of "compassion" just slit my throat while laughing.
Many psych wards are just prisons without activities were expressing frustration gets you immediately sedated and you're forced to fuck with your mind.
Inpatient treatment acutely works for some people, but I have never known someone chronically committed who was having a good time. Schizophrenia is pretty treatable, and only a tiny minority of people with it are ever violent towards others.
Paternalistic insitutionalising against someone's consent is pretty disgusting. I don't really care what the label is, people who aren't hurting others have a right to be free and people have a right to choose what treatments they want or don't want. People also deserve to be treated as individuals and not have behaviours assumed because some old fart in a Tweed jacket slapped a label on them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this in like some take that this isn't a pretty rough thing for someone to be saying... But from the perspective that I want to believe the best in people and do recognise there are some situations where I can kind of understand how people reach the end of their tether to compassion with this.
It's rough. I live with daily stories from a family member that works in an nhs hospital though. We potentially have completely different opinions on how bad care and support is because of our different systems, I suspect it's slightly better here than the prison conditions you're describing of the american ones but I don't know first hand I have to admit.
I'm from Australia. Funding is so bad nurses have to supply their own pens.
When I was committed my options were watch day time TV in a room of unfamiliar people doing strange things or try to not watch daytime TV in a room full of unfamiliar people doing strange things.
Literally prisoners have more privacy and personal space, also more books and the option for classes etc. Also prisoners aren't forced to take sedatives that make you feel sick and make pissing difficult.
I'd want to kill myself too if someone forced me to watch antique's roadshow all day everyday
Yeah I spent 3 months in there. I literally keep a means of rapid and most likely unpleasant suicide on me because I am never going in anyone's cage again. That in itself sucks because while I'm quite sane, misdiagnosis is fun, I am occasionally severely depressed so it's not the safest thing to carry.
Anyway ableism sucks, humans don't deserve to be treated in ways we treat non humans who also don't deserve it because they're a bit, or a lot, different. I firmly believe that committing people to psych wards involuntarily should require higher levels of evidence of danger to others than putting them in prison would since they have less rights in one.
If people go voluntarily that's one thing, but given psych wards can force ingestion of psychoactive substances it's an extremely fucked up thing to do to someone who's just inconvenient.
Tell me to “dispose” of any human on earth like they’re garbage and I’m fighting you full stop.
You can tell me it was a poor choice of words when they fix your jaw.
Yeah it's tough because there really aren't good systems in place for helping people like this unless you have a shitload of money (gee what a surprise I wonder why)
But yeah if you say shit like what this guy did in front of me, as someone who's brother had schizophrenia, yeah, dude's gettin' put in his place, some way or another
This makes sense to me. There is a specific kinda fatalistic ableism you can get watching a loved one suffer from mentally illness and take the rest of the family down with them. I am not saying it's right. I am saying I can see how someone prone to adventurism would develop ideas like that.
Watching a suffering person make so many others suffer and knowing there might be no way to fix it is soul destroying for many people. When you consider the kind of fatalism requires for adventure time. 🧮
It is possible that all his talk of third-worldism and all that is just affectations he picked up from podcasts. Which is why the type who would do a shooting like this talks like a based poster.
I have a hard time that someone who truly believes those things also has a blind spot for ableism that hadn't been beaten out of them by comrades. It seems more likely it's just the leftist equivalent of a pepe poster.
I believe it, ableism is widespread among western communists in my experience. This seems more extreme than most, but still not particularly surprising to me.
Nah his goodreads got published and it was dozens of serious theory and history books. Dude knew what was what.
can you please link?
https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/14889857-jayden-gonzalez
Cursed numbers in the link
Sounds like he might have been sarcastic or just mentally unwell at the time.
Ngl he seems the type of leftist that is contrarian and discontentious for the sake of it. Maybe he had some ableist tendencies and used maoist theory as an excuse to indulge in it/feel self-righteous because he is “the only sane voice” in his mind.
When you learned theory from listening to Cumtown
From zposters comment above