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US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who has previously expressed opposition to women serving in combat, has ordered the military to develop gender-neutral physical fitness standards for frontline troops, a memo released Monday said.

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[–] [email protected] 193 points 3 days ago (4 children)

"Gender neutral" - conveniently written in a way that emphasizes the athletic feats that men have an advantage in, while downplaying those that women have an advantage in. This will be "gender neutral" in the way that most unisex shirts are. (Ie, just declaring the male as default.) If you wanted to, you could write a "gender neutral" fitness standard that women would pass at ten times the rate men do.

Hell, the US military learned the flaw of relying on averages back during the 1950s.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

This is especially wild when you consider that some of the sports / feats women are often if not usually better at include shooting, distance / endurance events, and withstanding high g-forces without losing consciousness, which are way more useful in a modern military than the high jump or javelin throwing.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He'll, if the requirements were gender neutral, then every astronaut would be a woman based on weight alone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Even biologically, men are woman if the anti-muellerian hormone is not surpressed during the fetal development.(Usually happens if the gene in males is missing or suppressed that)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Being born with the appendage designed for peeing standing up is significantly more important than all that other stuff you mentioned. Simply having a uterus makes women 10x worse, duh.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, yeah. Any uterus on the battlefield is one that isn't back home gestating the next generation of cannon fodder.

(It's despicable, but I'm pretty sure that's how these shit stains actually think.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Also it might move around or fall out /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Now I'm wondering if there's a notable combat advantage for having a built in piss tube or not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What endurance events are women better at?

Also, I was curious about the g-force thing, but any scientific studies I could find had conclusions that there aren't any significant differences between men and women when it comes to withstanding g-forces.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The real big one is arctic / cold water distance swimming. Women have a higher % body fat on average meaning they float better and are better insulated. Ultramarathon events overall seem to be pretty evenly matched for the most part, but that specific subset has been pretty women dominated. The g force thing applies more specifically to people who are smaller and in particular shorter, which women are on average so in that one weights being equal, no.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Cold weather ultra marathon swimming? That's really specific, not important for military use, (who is having to free swim for 10+ miles?) and I was having problems trying to find any specific records for cold water ultra marathon swimming. I could find ultra marathon records of swimming in general, but most of those were men.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We need more data, but ultra-marathons could be such events

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-49284389

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I could see that being a case. Running for over 100 miles is just insane for anyone.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Reminder that every country that oppresses half of its population and prevents them from having the same access and rights tend to... fail on every societal level. But, they are also the most religious countries, so if that's what we're going for over things like infrastructure, jobs and ~~"safe drinking water"~~ then we're definitely on the right track.*

*I've been informed that the term "safe drinking water" has been banned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

They can make it as equal as they want--IF they actually align the standards to the fitness needs of each job. But then they might have to admit that office work doesn't require an 8 minute mile.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also it doesn't take much to pull a trigger or to push a button.