Seriously, what on earth is going on? They're releasing a whole new laptop and have given the FL13 Ryzen AI options but there's nothing new for the FL16. I'm hoping for a 2nd gen dGPU before I would get mine (or even a Zen 5 CPU, but I am OK with a Zen 4 as of now) but it seriously feels like there's no progress on that front. The last thing they made for the FL16 was the Dual M.2 and that was in December. Will there be new parts for the FL16? When? If not, will there be another dGPU laptop offering?

So, I'm making this post because I'm currently torn between 3 options:

• Upgrade my current T450 with 16GB of DDR3 and a 256GB (or maybe 512GB) NVME which has an i5-5300u and 1080p display
• Get a T14(s) G1 with an AMD CPU (for about 400 euros or so)
• Save up for a long time to buy a Framework laptop

The role of the laptop would be to do some software dev tasks and some light gaming (think ULTRAKILL, Minecraft and KSP, so really not anything that can't run on a good enough iGPU). Battery isn't much of a priority, since I'll use it plugged in most of the time, but it is preferred for when I do need it, nevertheless I don't wish to sacrifice CPU performance for it like what my T450 does when it crawls to 800MHz to extend its battery life from 4 hours to 5 hours (it has a dual 3-cell setup, both batteries at about 75% health). While I can save up a lot for a Framework or even a T14 Gen 5/6, I'd rather not because I just don't find it worth it for the price, and because It'd wear down my patience. Another large priority is durability, I am insanely clumsy. For example, one time I dropped my T450 at the very edge of a table so that it hit my foot and broke its old 1366x768 panel (good riddance, that resolution was atrocious). From what I can remember, most ThinkPads are in some way MIL-STD certified (80G or 80H depending on the model IIRC), starting with (unfortunately for my T450) the T460. I'd also like at least an FHD or higher display, but everything I've listed passes that. The only real benefit here for a Framework is the "eternal laptop" concept where I don't have to replace the laptop itself, ever, because I can just upgrade the parts in a Thesseus' ship kind of way, like some desktop users do, or just straight up replace them if they break but parts are scarce here in Greece, especially for Frameworks, so I'd have to get them shipped from their website which is not ideal, particularly because there's a physical store less than a couple minutes of walking which could easily replace e.g. a T14's display. If there are any other ThinkPad options (available in Greece!) at about the price of the T14, then I'd be glad to hear them.

To conclude, here are my priorities, grouped from highest priority to lowest priority:

• Available in Greece, preferrably at a physical store
• CPU Performance, Durability
• Resolution, Repairability
• Battery life

So, I'm making this post because I'm currently torn between 3 options:

• Upgrade my current T450 with 16GB of DDR3 and a 256GB (or maybe 512GB) NVME which has an i5-5300u and 1080p display
• Get a T14(s) G1 with an AMD CPU (for about 400 euros or so)
• Save up for a long time to buy a Framework laptop

The role of the laptop would be to do some software dev tasks and some light gaming (think ULTRAKILL, Minecraft and KSP, so really not anything that can't run on a good enough iGPU). Battery isn't much of a priority, since I'll use it plugged in most of the time, but it is preferred for when I do need it, nevertheless I don't wish to sacrifice CPU performance for it like what my T450 does when it crawls to 800MHz to extend its battery life from 4 hours to 5 hours (it has a dual 3-cell setup, both batteries at about 75% health). While I can save up a lot for a Framework or even a T14 Gen 5/6, I'd rather not because I just don't find it worth it for the price, and because It'd wear down my patience. Another large priority is durability, I am insanely clumsy. For example, one time I dropped my T450 at the very edge of a table so that it hit my foot and broke its old 1366x768 panel (good riddance, that resolution was atrocious). From what I can remember, most ThinkPads are in some way MIL-STD certified (80G or 80H depending on the model IIRC), starting with (unfortunately for my T450) the T460. I'd also like at least an FHD or higher display, but everything I've listed passes that. The only real benefit here for a Framework is the "eternal laptop" concept where I don't have to replace the laptop itself, ever, because I can just upgrade the parts in a Thesseus' ship kind of way, like some desktop users do, but parts are scarce here in Greece, especially for Frameworks, so I'd have to get them shipped from their website which is not ideal. If there are any other ThinkPad options (available in Greece!) at about the price of the T14, then I'd be glad to hear them.

To conclude, here are my priorities, grouped from highest priority to lowest priority:

• Available in Greece, preferrably at a physical store
• CPU Performance, Durability
• Resolution, Repairability
• Battery life

Ok, to begin the price isn't really that much of an issue as I am willing to sacrifice it for the modularity. However, the reason I'm into such a modular laptop in the first place is that I am comically clumsy and have horrible luck with technology. For example, I dropped my ThinkPad T450 at the perfect spot for its screen to get decimated. I know repair is an option, but the outdated and nonupgradeable i5-5300U made a newer laptop sound reasonable. My past with laptops is not something I am willing to discuss as of right now, I will be getting a new laptop. However, I have heard concerns about the durability of the FW16 being concerningly bad, but I've also read that the materials (on paper) should be able to withstand most of the trials my clumsiness would put it through, one of the simpler requirements being able to withstand a drop from table height with no visible damage. This is concerning as I'm aiming for a laptop I wont have to replace for a long time, similarly to the P151HM1 I used until 2019, for over 10 years, so durability is a large factor and the modularity serves in case the laptop ends up breaking (which it will, but it is in my interest to minimise how often it does so). The trick feature, that being the swappable GPU really only takes second place for me as I have a well-specced gaming PC capable of fulfilling that role. My primary factors are modularity, durability and CPU power, which is why I'm making this post: I'm concerned about the durability. I really only care about build quality as a factor of durability, I don't need perfect spacer gaps or similar. I'm not willing to get a smaller laptop (see: Framework 13) because I'm interested in the higher computing capacity a 16 inch frame offers for future upgrades (e.g. dGPU, dual NVMEs, 96GB RAM, etc.). Battery life isn't too much of a concern either, as I'm aiming for a more "dock rider" oriented laptop so I'd need maybe 3 hours of light CPU use.

So, I think we all know how when companies upgrade they sell all their old laptops, flooding their market and making them insanely cheap, ThinkPads being the most well known for this.

Now, in places like the US there are a lot of stores for this, such as eBay. But I'm in Greece and I'm not keen on international orders (shipping costs, potential tariffs if extra-European, several other reasons).

Does anyone know of any (trustworthy) stores for used ThinkPads in Greece? I've looked at some already and they have some nice deals (particularly on T495s, X1s and T14s) but I want to make sure I'm getting the full picture.

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for anyone who wants to offer actual advice: its a lenovo thinkpad t450 with a soldered i5-5300U that hits over 90C when running cargo compiles. I have changed the thermal paste and it didn't do much.