[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Well, feel free to correct me on my math here, I'm no battery expert. Google says a 100 kWh battery typically weighs between 1000 and 1500 pounds. Since we'd need 6618 kWh for the hypothetical trip from Cleveland to NYC, that means we'd need 67 x 100 kWh batteries which would weigh between 67,000 and 100,000 pounds. Google also says the typical fuel load for a 737 is around 50,000 pounds, so the relative overage from batteries (since obviously you wouldn't need to carry any fuel) would be 17,000 to 50,000 pounds. This would roughly give you a passenger capacity range between 120 and nobody. Even worse if you consider the need to have some reserves of power for unexpected circumstances. There's also the problem mentioned elsewhere in this thread that the batteries don't become lighter as they're discharged, so your landing weight is the same as your takeoff weight.

So yeah, battery weight is the core problem. But if battery weight comes down by "just" 50% (and I have no idea if that's on the horizon or not) then electric aviation becomes quite viable.

I moved in with a roommate a couple of years ago and she immediately went off on a two-week vacation the day I moved in. When she got back she said "oh my god the guinea pig is dead!" I didn't even know she had a guinea pig, it was in a covered cage in an unused room in the house. She forgot to tell me about it and what to do to take care of it.

My dad died last fall and when I called the funeral home to arrange for his body to be picked up, their answering service was fucking AI. However angry you think that might make you feel, it's worse than that.

I'm a retired programmer and I always regretted not getting into AI (like, developing it rather than making use of it) because I think I could have made significant contributions. Now I'm glad I never did because I'll never have to deal with the guilt of having made Terminator a reality.

I'll just have to deal with Terminator is all. :(

Their coffee has to taste like that to cut through all the whipped cream, chocolate and caramel.

Asad's Hot Chicken is damn good, but so far they're only in the Philly/NYC greater area. I expect they'll be spreading out a lot further soon ... and then turning to shit like everything else does.

This is not generally common here in the US, but Indian restaurants now tend to have no menu, just a QR code that you scan and then you order from their website (no apps so far, or at least they're not mandatory yet). I was a mobile app programmer until about five years ago and I had to ask these guys how to scan a QR code.

Hey now, we're still the #1 lapdog of the petrochemical industry!

It's Louisiana fast ... aka slow as paint peeling.

Microwave beams from satellites. What could go wrong?

Maybe if Obama had done something about Russian election interference on behalf of trump in 2016, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

This seemed intuitively wrong to me (like, way too low a cost), but: 25,000 pounds moving 100 mph is equal to 11,331,007 J of kinetic energy. Since 3.6 million J equals 1 kWh and 1 kWh on average costs $0.17, that means you could accelerate 25,000 pounds to reasonable bare minimum flying speed for about fifty cents (not considering efficiency of the machinery). My mind still can't process this, but math is math.

On the other hand, looking at it from a potential energy perspective it's a bit more expensive. 25,000 pounds at a cruising altitude of 10,000 ft. (still quite low from an airliner perspective) is about 339 million J, 94 kWh or about $16 -- the cost of lunch at MacDonald's.

Since a plane requires the most thrust at takeoff, you could use ground-based catapults to get the plane to takeoff speed (or faster even) and then you could carry smaller batteries and propelling machinery. For extra fun, you could have landing planes snag a wire and use their momentum to accelerate a plane taking off.

To save even more weight, since you're going airport-to-airport you could leave off the landing gear and just have the planes come down on a bouncy trampoline-like surface. If you think that's batshit crazy, the British actually experimented with this idea for their aircraft carriers in the 1950s.

Edit: to make these numbers more realistic I'm going to assume something like a 737, which can weigh something like 150,000 pounds fully loaded (this includes fuel but you'd need batteries instead for an electric plane). Getting this to a 150 mph takeoff speed would take about 100 million J (getting it then to a cruising speed of 500 mph would be another 233 million J, but that's pretty minor compared to the other costs). Climbing this plane to 30,000 ft would take 6.1 billion J. Resisting a drag force of 5000 pounds (about what a 737 experiences at cruising speed at 30,000 ft) for 500 miles (the distance from Cleveland to New York City) would need 17.6 billion J. Assuming landing is free (fuck TANSTAAFL) that means a typical trip needs 23.8 billion J or 6618 kWh or $1125. Assuming a real-world efficiency of 25% means the actual cost would be $4500 (which is in the ballpark of what jet fuel costs). Assuming 200 passengers, that's $22.50 per person. Not exactly "$5 of electricity" but surprisingly small.

Feel free to check my math, my brain hurts.

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