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Well, your first problem is you have too many arrows.
Better?
This feel oddly threatening now...
You have a problem. Worry.
Do you have a problem?
Yes
Can you do something about it?
I DONT KNOW
P A N I K
People usually worry because "Can you do something about it -> Yes" involves something unpleasant or work intensive stuff with strict time limit.
I usually worry because "Can you do something about is" is an uncertain variable where I'm not sure how much control I truly have
Also, just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Maybe it’s a small problem, so you decide to ignore it, and you choose to focus on other, more important things.
No no, all this nuance and logic ruins the meme. Life and the human brain is simple and boils down to a few easy steps
I'm not sure I'd agree with that generalisation.
Is that why you personally worry about something?
Yes, I'm lazy and surrounded by even lazier deadbeats.
Do you have a problem? Yes, I don’t have enough money for bills + food.
Can you do something about it? No, I’m on a fixed income.
Then don’t worry. Uh…
I mean if a meteor is coming, I'm not worrying.
Yeah the usual mental worrying part is if you're just not sure enough if the problem is actually in your reach or not.
Except for the Yes -> Then Don't Worry part. If there is something that can be done then it should probably be done. Which will take time/effort/expense/cooperation.
Agreed but I think the implication is more "if you can do something about it, then there's nothing to worry about."
My problem is that the "Can you do something about it?" is always unclear, I go back and forth until it consumes my thoughts.
It's ultimately easy to tell apart because the things in our control have vastly different qualities from those which are not. Quoth Epictetus:
Some things are in our control and others not. Things in our control are opinion, pursuit, desire, aversion, and, in a word, whatever are our own actions. Things not in our control are body, property, reputation, command, and, in one word, whatever are not our own actions.
The things in our control are by nature free, unrestrained, unhindered; but those not in our control are weak, slavish, restrained, belonging to others. Remember, then, that if you suppose that things which are slavish by nature are also free, and that what belongs to others is your own, then you will be hindered. You will lament, you will be disturbed, and you will find fault both with gods and men. But if you suppose that only to be your own which is your own, and what belongs to others such as it really is, then no one will ever compel you or restrain you. Further, you will find fault with no one or accuse no one. You will do nothing against your will. No one will hurt you, you will have no enemies, and you not be harmed.
Aiming therefore at such great things, remember that you must not allow yourself to be carried, even with a slight tendency, towards the attainment of lesser things. Instead, you must entirely quit some things and for the present postpone the rest. But if you would both have these great things, along with power and riches, then you will not gain even the latter, because you aim at the former too: but you will absolutely fail of the former, by which alone happiness and freedom are achieved.
Work, therefore to be able to say to every harsh appearance, "You are but an appearance, and not absolutely the thing you appear to be." And then examine it by those rules which you have, and first, and chiefly, by this: whether it concerns the things which are in our own control, or those which are not; and, if it concerns anything not in our control, be prepared to say that it is nothing to you.
Now the list of things under our control might seem small -- but it's actually real control. You can't control that an arrow you shoot will hit the target, a gust of wind may take it away and you're not controlling the wind. Have the opinion (under your control) that you shall hit, and that gust of wind comes, and when you miss you'll be wretched, so don't have that opinion. But still do take that shot unless it's impossible, in which case find a possible one.
Why don't you simply turn off the unwanted emotion??
That's how emotions work, right? Right, that's how they work.
Explaining this diagram to a guy in the middle of a plane crash, but he just keeps screaming and pounding at the windows.
In the afterlife, first thing he'll say is 'Don't EVEN say it..."
I’ve gotten decent at this, but it has taken years of practicing the skill, plus trying various medications. Not to mention a couple of job losses during covid.
The fun combo of adhd and anxiety made this a necessity if I wanted to generally enjoy life.
The ability to not worry about shit sounds simple, but it is much easier said than done. It’s like a muscle that you have to exercise and build up.
Here are the elevator pitched for three topics that helped me:
Mediation/mindfulness: I listened to some Buddhist talks, and liked the way some of them explained focusing on your breath and stepping back to observe your own emotions without embracing those feelings at the time. And you have compassion for yourself, and not judge things negatively. Just observe what is. It’s something you can practice at any time, and the more you do it, the more you can stay in that state while doing other things. There is also a big component of controlling your desires, because those are often a big component of suffering.
Philosophy: around the same time, I was reading stoic philosophy. Marcus Aurelius is the big name there. The bottom line is that regardless of what happens to you, the way that you internally process it and react to it is what really determines how it affects your life & mental state. So with practice, time, and sometimes medication, you are more and more in control of your mental state and how things affect you.
Acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT): The world around you is what it is, so instead of worrying about things you can’t control, you accept the true state of things and then filter that through your personal values to decide how to act.
Some common themes here, to be sure. Along with being able to better control your thoughts and emotions, it’s about finding contentment and tranquility in whatever your life looks like. Not because everything is great, but because your mental state is much more important than reacting how you “should” react.
I just wanted to say I appreciate the way you wrote this and didn't hide the fact it's taken you a lot of work, and is an ongoing practice. I see these types of things get suggested far too often without that context. "Just meditate" really takes away from how much discipline over years or a lifetime it takes. There's nothing easy or quick about it, and it takes a lot of courage to keep it up.
This cannot reasonably be how mentally healthy people react though, because this would seem to suggest that the healthy thing to do is to never worry about anything at all, in which case, what utility would have led to that emotion evolving in the first place?
You worry about uncertainty. There is no uncertainty in this flow chart. Worrying about things that are defined and known is not healthy, but that's not to say that stable people never worry about things they know the solution to or never worry even though there aren't any real problems. The distinction really is if you're able to make yourself stop worry or not, in a healthy way, or if worry consumes you to the point of anxiety.
This is how I think, but my girlfriend doesn't, so sometimes it's really frustrating. I think she is addicted to worrying.
It can be difficult. My partner has anxiety all the time and it is hard to impart the sense of security and stability that I have to her.
Replace "Then don't worry" with "If you really think about it you should definitely be worried" and this is my life.
I guess the thing missing from the chart is "can you do something about it?" -> "do something" -> "don't worry." Worry is only useful in that it prompts us to go "this thing could be a problem" and take action to address it. If we can't do anything about it (or aren't deciding to do something) then devoting energy and thought cycles to worrying doesn't benefit us.
I mean, that's how my ADHD and anxiety combo works: every waking moment is either
A: really thinking about everything, including completely inconsequential stuff, my brain making me super worried about most of it
Or
B: trying with various degrees of success to distract myself away from doing A. This in turn often tends to make me forget things that I DO need to be aware of, such as appointments etc, worsening A.
It's so fucking exhausting tbh 😮💨
If the answer is 'maybe' then you are allowed to worry.
Anything -> worry
I used being like that, I miss being like that.
Same here. I actually just decided last night that I hate who I am so much that I'm going to "kill myself" in that I'm going to try to completely kill off the person that I "was."
I have a lot of respect for transgender people who sort of go through a similar thing so I'm taking inspiration from them and saying old asafum is dead, I killed him, and in his place I'll be a new asafum.
But worrying about it is what gives the motivation to do something about it.
I dont wanna worry, i really dont.
i wish it would be like that.
I may not be able to do anything for certain things but they are exactly what is really doing me in right now, how am i supposed to NOT worry.
You're homeless, just buy a house.
You're sick, just stop.
You're sad, just don't.
You're depressed, just be happy.
Duh
Vomiting into the toilet with zen tranquility, because I understand why seven tequilas was a mistake and am simply undergoing the aftermath of my decision.
Staring down the barrel of a gun and experiencing perfect serenity because the universe is beyond my control.
Strapped to a chair and having my fingers tenderized with a meat mallet, but its okay, because all my available decisions have been made.
Literally on fire, but this is fine, because there's nothing around to put me out.
It's actually a conscious decision to worry or not. For many people this thought concept is calming: it was so unlikely, that this little ape we all descend from, even survived in that unyielding nature. But the ape even prospered. If the ape survived for hundreds of thousands of years, you will too. You can make money again. You will find a roof over your head every time. Fear feeds fear, just put it on a diet. It's not that you have to do something, you just have to do nothing. Do you breathe? There. You believe in yourself, otherwise you wouldn't.
Have a nice one
Do you have a problem? If yes, then it should consume your thoughts so you don't have any ability to think of a solution... If no, then you must've forgotten something...