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[–] 168 points 3 years ago (4 children)

As amusing as it is to see Elon fail, letters like "X" shoud not be trademarkable. Just one indicator that we're truly reaching capitalist extremism levels of insanity.

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  • [–] 48 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Also, how the hell could Microsoft get a patent for X in 2003 when X has been around since 1984, and is pretty much a direct competitor? This makes no sense at all.

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  • [–] 53 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Trademarks can apply to different areas. In this case, Microsoft's trademark is for services related to online chat and gaming, not for something like a window manager.

    https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docId=ORC20030304054014&linkId=20#docIndex=19&page=1

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Makes sense I guess. Somehow also makes the trademark even more absurd.

    Reminds me a little of Apple v. Apple Records, and how Apple promised never too use their brand to enter into the music industry (like they later did with iTunes anyway).

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    In 1991, Apple Computer made an agreement to pay Apple Records $26 million in exchange for letting Apple Computer use the "Apple" trademark for music. But that was long before iTunes, they wanted the Apple trademark for their computer chimes. Apple Records agreed to let Apple Computer use the Apple trademark for music as long as it did not "package, sell or distribute physical music materials."

    Much later, iTunes was developed and Apple Records sued Apple Computer. Eventually a judge sided with Apple Computer, pointing out that iTunes did not package, sell or distribute physical music materials. Thus, Apple Records couldn't get another bite of that Apple....

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    How is Xorg a "direct competitor" to Microsoft? Especially Microsoft's trademark to X in the gaming market where they own the Xbox and Xorg doesn't participate at all?

    Trademarks protect consumers by preventing fraud and misleading naming. It makes perfect sense that Microsoft owns X in the given market space due to the enormous prevalence of Xbox. Their first console was literally X-shaped and it would be bad for consumers for anyone to be able to make the "X-station" or "X-cube" or some such.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Trademarks only cover very significant uses. Microsoft can (and apparently did) trademark X in connection to the Xbox, so competitors can't make a game console called an XStation or PlayStation X, but people not making video game consoles aren't affected.

    [Edit: Man, Lemmy is weird. I deleted this comment right after posting it because I thought it was redundant. I only undeleted it because I saw it was the top-rated comment in its sub-thread.]

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    Also X, the rapper, who’s “gonna give it to yuh.”

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    [–] 54 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    “You can’t own letters, man” -Elon, probably

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    [+] 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 30 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    i thought it was google tryin to copyright the alphabet

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I’m glad we’re currently on a good news streak. Those climate change articles were weighing on me.

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    [–] 25 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    How does both meta and microsoft own the rights to "X"

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Probably in different industries. I saw the MS patent is for game related stuff. I would assume metas is for social media stuff, or some other field they're involved in.

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    [–] 23 points 3 years ago

    I thought it was nigh impossible to trademark a letter?

    I saw a tweet from the founder of xe.com who literally used the same logo in the 90s and he discussed the challenges in globally trademarking a single letter.

    Both aspects were giant cans of worms for El Musky.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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    [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    What about the Malcolm X Estate, do they have a say in this?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The design is also a unicode character.

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    I want Musk to lose but I hate the idea of a single letter being copyright.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Trademark, not copyright. It means that you can't make something and call it "X" if there's any chance that your "X" and their "X" might get mixed up. Google ran into this same problem when they created "Alphabet" - it was already a trademark of some German car manufacturer (probably Audi or BMW), but the court ruled that "Alphabet the car company" and "Alphabet the online services company" are far enough apart that the average user probably won't confuse one for the other (although the Dove soap and Dove chocolate makes me doubt it). Twitter and Microsoft both offer online services. It might be enough of an overlap to constitute a trademark violation.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    Copyright and trademarks are different things. In this case it looks like it applies mainly to the Xbox "X" logo like is seen on this (hilarious) page of the filing and is only for things related to messaging and gaming, so it's not as broad as it sounds. Based on a cursory look at Google results from before July 1st, I can't find any examples of Microsoft actually suing anyone for using the letter X, either.

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    [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    So does that make Elon Musk an X-Offender?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    I recommend use "Ğ" what is unsellable letter

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    [–] 10 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    The X-box. X.org, the X files... and now, simply... X.

    Folks really love the X letter for some reason.

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    [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Why does his face remind me of the Phantom of the Opera? Maybe there will be an unfortunate chandelier falling incident.

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    Yeah definitely don’t need to check that out beforehand

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    🤣

    I’m just here for his ass getting handed to him

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Hard to tell if he's winning or losing. If he's being incentivized to destroy the integrity of a mainstream information-sharing platform, he's done well. If he in any way wanted to run the company, he's done laughably bad. I guess time will tell

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