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Idk, man. I think there's a genuine leftist vibe to the saying "love what you do and you'll never work a day in your life". There are definitely career paths where the pay is mediocre but the sense of fulfillment is overwhelming.

The problem is that most of these career paths are in fucking Cuba.

American businesses are, by intent or consequence, all about profit margin and growth rate. Nothing else matters because nothing else is allowed to matter. I would love to work at a business that was genuinely invested in the Good Vibes. And I know there are more than a few that cultivate that as a secondary concern. Everyone I've talked to who works at H.E.B. practically glows with approval when they talk about how that business is managed, in no small part because they honestly do seem to invest in their workforce and cultivate a certain degree of compassion towards staff. But they only get to do that shit because the firm is entirely privately owned, successfully operated, and not beholden to a bunch of vampiric outside investors. Even then, they're tethered to credit just like everyone else. And their owners are absurdly wealthy, long past the point at which their labor contributes to the operation of the firm.

It would be incredibly cool if you could invest in your career like you invest in a personal hobby or craft and not end up ruthlessly exploited. It should be that way. People having a passion for what they do shouldn't be seen as a fucking weakness in their character that some other asshole can exploit.

I can't stand this shit. Managers are really out here trying to push the narrative that people DESIRE with their whole being to toil away in a particular field, because when you're "passionate" about something, you don't really care about the pay. The whole fuckin spiel is doublespeak for "I want someone who will be happy to be exploited"

tell them you wont talk about sexual matters at work

Yeah I fucking hate that shit too. I just put on my corpo mask on and nod along to their deranged bullshit and respond in kind with the same buzzwords like fucking chatGPT. If it's a big company nobody actually expects true passion out of you, you just need to say the words.

If you listen to any of the dumb takes from ThePrimeagen (some silicon valley fuckhead) he basically expects all people in any job to have a deep passion for it and dedicate their entire life to it working at 110% forever. And that anyone who doesn't do this should basically die. A lot of people in tech are completely detached from reality and I hate all of them.

The problem for me is that I genuinely do love the lab work that forms the core of my job, what saps my passion is all the corporate bullshit that surrounds it. Time keeping for the bean counters, pointless corporate bureaucracy that exists solely so they can better document my every move, penny pinching, corpo speak and mba brain, and low pay. Like they seem to do whatever they can to get in the way of a genuinely interesting and, at times, fun job.

I don't really think I've had "I want to do this for eight hours a day" amounts of passion for literally anything in my life. Shit, sometimes I wonder if i've ever had sincere passion for anything in general.

I have a passion for being paid a healthy amount and timely

There were a lot of ninja-themed tech job descriptions for a while. Have they retired that?

Personally I reserve “Passion” for work I have elected to do. I think “ Competency” should suffice in the regular 9 to 5. That MEGACORP Middle Management mindset of trying incept our desire to work more is so vile.

Agreed. The exception I see is if you're self employed doing something that you're legitimately passionate about. I'm saying that because I'm an amateur woodworker looking forward to the day when I can make good money from this activity, which is something that I deeply love and would gladly do all day long every day of the week, even Sundays - after all, it's what I do right now, but without getting paid for it.

It is, however, incomprehensible to me that someone would be "passionate" about a bullshit office job. It doesn't even have to be bullshit, honestly. You can even enjoy it, but how can you be passionate about it, knowing that you only get to enjoy a fraction of the fruits of your labor? Or knowing that you're just an easily replaceable cog in a soulless machine? I don't know, man. It just doesn't feel right to me.

Cyberaecurity is super boring especially if you're securing some piece of shit company you hate.And good luck finding a job in that field that pays a living wage and isn't for some piece of shit company.

Anyway, tell your boss youll show your passion for it if he sends you to defcon all expenses paid.

based and hating managers pilled

Death to America

I automatically avoid job posts with this. As well as the we are a family and work-life balance bs.

I think the only jobs you can truly be passionate about are the rudimentary occupations like tailoring, farming or construction. Like the minimum requirement of labor to cloth, feed and shelter yourself is fulfilling and why so many people dream of some cottage lifestyle in a small village. We still have to face the current situation that is doing those tasks within the framework of capitalism, but one can hope that will one day change.

You have to lie to them like how they lie to you about... everything

i think you can enjoy work. obvi fuck middle managers they don't have your best interests at heart, they want to know if you enjoy cybersec to see if you are 'productive' not because they want to see you happy.

having 'passion' for your work might be coded language for 'will you work extra hard' and 'will you work outside of normal working hours to get the job done'. oh but don't worry 'it is experience'

Me: "Yo, I'm passionate about working. I've been looking all over for a job!"

That same person: "NO! ANYONE BUT YOU! I'M PICKY!"

Ironically, job creators aren't very passionate about creating jobs. I think they just expect the work to magically do itself.

Bruh I had exactly the same shit happen to me with a recruiter!! What the fuck does passion have to do with work, or in my case, the choice between enrollment in a cyber security class or cloud computing class?!? Like, fuck you, I just want to learn!!

I've always interpreted passion as meaning you'll do the job, but also take on extra duties and do it for lower pay

I got sorta lucky recently in that a lack of work has allowed me to get paid to produce something I've wanted to make for a while. I've been learning new skills that aren't directly related to my normal work, making decisions, and I had basically full creative control.

The feeling is weird now, normally I'd feel really passionate about it if it was in my own time, but now I only have myself to blame if something goes wrong. People are looking to me to have it done in time. It's a super cool opportunity, but somehow its still sorta ruined by work.

just say yes ?

Just lie to them lol.

They're so far up their own asses that they think the problem at their company is that the workers aren't deeply committed to doing a ton of work as if it's fun. Let them keep their delusion, take their money, and half-ass that job like there's no tomorrow while pretending you're actually killing yourself with commitment and getting results.

no passion under capitalism

i would kill to work for some massive state project to mitigate the climate crisis but these don't exist

This is where you steam a good ham.