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[–] 6 points 4 hours ago

Man I WISH. He's pretty based overall, much better than every single one of his equivalents in other western countries, but he still has some rather limited proposals. On the question of debt, for example, he only says that the portion of the debt that is owned by the European central bank (around 10% iirc) should be suspended. However, the vast majority of French debt is owed to private creditors, because neoliberals passed a law in the 1970s to make it so that only private creditors can lend money to the French state, and this was included in the Maastricht treaty at the EU level later on (for all eurozone countries). The European central bank is also forbidden by EU treaties to lend money to states, it only owns part of their debt because it bought it from foreign creditors during the covid pandemic. This makes it so that France spends a lot of its budget on paying interest on its debt (in fact, it's soon to become the single largest expense in the whole budget), which it wouldn't have to do if it could use its central bank or the European central bank to go into debt at 0% interest like basically every single monetarily sovereign country can. An actual durable solution to the problem of debt is to leave the EU, and Mélenchon used to talk of this with his "Plan A Plan B" proposal in 2017 (Plan A, we renegotiate the EU treaties to allow non-neoliberal policies; Plan B, they don't allow us, so we leave the EU), but he doesn't talk of this anymore unfortunately.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 hours ago

    I particularly like the Fight Club style. Kinda like the Physical Challenge of Festivus,

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  • [–] 17 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    If he wins I volunteer to invade Germany

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  • [–] 58 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    The tweet missed "leave nato".

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  • [–] 60 points 18 hours ago

    Only rose up to 20%? Common French Lfrance-cool

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  • [–] 40 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (18 children)

    Why is the Macron 2.0 candidate doing better than the leftist candidate in run-off polls?

    I figured having a second anti-establishment candidate would UP the odds of beating Le Pen (cuz of all the vibes-based voters that just go with whoever sounds populist). But I guess more libs are willing to vote fash than even consider a leftist?

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  • [–] 43 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    Polling companies assume (note that I didn't say "find in their results") that a very large portion of centrist voters will not back Melenchon in the second round. Pollsters almost never use raw data, and add weights, but the way they do this with Melenchon is not backed by the data: in the second round of parliamentary elections, when it was a two-way-race between a candidate from La France Insoumise (LFI, Melenchon's party), and a candidate of the Rassemblement National (RN, Le Pen's extreme-right party), a majority voted for LFI-candidates.

    Furthermore, Melenchon's base is not with the people who vote in every electoin, but with people who have to be mobilised. You should check the polls for the first round of the previous 2 or 3 French presidential elections, and you'll see that he rises exponentially when he starts campaigning. The fact that he's already more or less surpassing the centrist candidates for second place in the first round, is very hopefull as this is happening much earlier than in previous elections.

    Lastly, Melenchon is rethorically the strongest politician in the Global North, that is not hypeverbally. Nobody gives a speech like him, or debates like him. He will destroy anyone in a one-on-one debate if he makes it to the second round.

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  • [–] 6 points 13 hours ago* (2 children)

    Lastly, Melenchon is rethorically the strongest politician in the Global North, that is not hypeverbally. Nobody gives a speech like him, or debates like him. He will destroy anyone in a one-on-one debate if he makes it to the second round.

    I have to say, and maybe my French is just really shit, but so does LePenn. I really feel like this is her election to lose and the material and political conditions, esp in a pillar of the Western metropole, point towards her winning decisively. Out of all frontmen in this axis of neo-fash, she’s quite honestly the most fitting one for the moment if we’re being realistic.

    Don’t get me wrong, it’d be good if Melenchon took power, but LePenn is a pretty non-shit candidate of the bourgeoise parties to go up against.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    I really feel like this is her election to lose and the material and political conditions, esp in a pillar of the Western metropole, point towards her winning decisively.

    I do not disagree with this at all, especially given the fact that all the press will be in favour of her and opposed to Melenchon.

    On top of that, I do really wonder if there will be electoral fraud and even if there has been electoral fraud in the past: 1.2% to 1.7% too little in the first round, in 2017 and 2022, respectively, after having all the momentum, I'm not about that. Especially given that even during the American primaries there was electoral fraud to stop Bernie Sanders (admitted by the head of the DNC at the time, Donna Brazil, in her book; and defended by the DNC in court because "a private organisation isn't expected to provide a fair election in the same way as a government, it choose how to operate").

    I also know for a fact that in Belgium, small electoral fraud took place to take away one regional parliamentary seat from PTB and give it to PS. This is beyond doubt. Has it happened more? Who knows, the party doesn't have electoral observers in all voting stations.

    Melenchon is much more radical than Bernie Sanders, and France is much more important than Belgium...

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago

    🐟

    I don't know what the place, but the Vichy ennui
    Got a lot to be, but the Vichy ennui
    Got a lot to do, aujourd'hui
    Vichy ennui, Vichy ennui
    I don't want the place, but the Vichy ennui
    Got a lot to be, aujourd'hui
    Vichy ennui, but I don't know ye
    Vichy ennui, it's the Vichy ennui

    france-cool

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  • [–] 17 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

    there you are misanthropy, i thought i'd never see you again

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  • [–] 10 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    Any logical process that ends in misanthropy is a misfiring of neurons.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago (3 children)

    i mean, apparently a supermajority of the french population is fascist

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  • [–] 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Every person alive holds views that the truly decent would find abhorrent. It’s no excuse to give up on one another, or on ourselves. The point is to change the world, comrade. Misanthropy is self-destructive and destructive to our movement.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Every person alive holds views that the truly decent would find abhorrent.

    I don't think that's true. I think you made that up.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago

    I probably spoke too strongly. All I mean to say is that there are no perfect people. It seems self-evident to me that our communist descendents will look back at us with pity and resentment but maybe that’s a bit of internal doomerism I need to self-crit about. The struggle sessions this site has had in the past have really put me off the idea that “communists” in general are good people or that we don’t have a lot of growing up to do.

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  • [+] 9 points 16 hours ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 50 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

    debt jubilee invented by fight club yes yes

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  • [–] 38 points 18 hours ago

    You can't give me false hope like that

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  • [–] 37 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    Messieur Melanchon, pls send le núkes xi-plz

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  • [–] 29 points 17 hours ago

    He should be practicing the French tradition of L'racisme! france-cool

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  • [–] 23 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

    these campaign promises seem overstated. he probably said they'll start a discussion on how many times you're allowed to spit on immigrants (as opposed to the current unlimited). and apparently declaring war on germany is "hey germany why do you want a big army?". succdems.

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  • [–] 27 points 13 hours ago

    nah his party platform actually strictly recognizes the sovereignty of the Sahel states and is intent on getting rid of the cfa franc. in addition to a plan of leaving NATO as others have mentioned. so this isn't socdem stuff we're talking about here. i do have some critiques of his party's platform and rhetoric - such as labelling the islamic republic of Iran a "regime" (e.g. "ni shah ni mollah" from manon aubry). and i am somewhat skeptical of the feasibility of the electoral path to socialism. but france has some advantages allende's chile didn't have. there is still indeed a level of "i'll believe it when i see it" for france actually joining the socialist and anti-imperialist road here but melenchon is legit

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  • [–] 52 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

    they actually do have real policy plans around getting the white supremacy out of the french identity. it is called new france. also he is a communist. he literally said he will leave NATO. LFI base has a significant portion of real radicals, he understands dual power. like him getting elected is a big deal if it happens you don't have to project learned american doomerism onto every countrys politics. no investigation, no right to speak!

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  • [–] 49 points 15 hours ago* (4 children)

    he probably said they'll start a discussion on how many times you're allowed to spit on immigrants (as opposed to the current unlimited)

    He's actively building a campaign around the concept of "new France" (black and muslim inhabitants of France) as a positive thing.

    He started his campaign with a large rally in Saint-Denis, attented by thousends of young people from that neigbourhood. For the Americans, that's like starting your campaign in Dearborn, Michigan and Harlem, NY at the same time.

    succdems

    He used to be an entryist Trotskyist, but he split form the PS, and formed his own party.

    Americans, don't express outspoken opinions about things you have no knowledge about challenge, impossible.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    yeah, i was just going entirely based on vibes and the fact that whenever a candidate to the left of megahitler says something like "perhaps we ought to look into affordable housing", the press tends to talk about it as if they're sending in the tanks.

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  • [–] 35 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    thank you this is just projection of yankee doomerism, melenchon and bernie sanders are not the same. him winning could transform france into a legitimate anti imperialist actor in the region

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  • [–] 26 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    yankee doomerism

    In Bourdieu's La Distinction (no hear me out, I'm actually going somewhere with this), he describes how matters of taste (do you prefer lamb, or poultry; rock, jazz or chansons; etc., but much more in detail) correlete, on an aggregate level, with socio-economic strata, and act as signifiers which tell other people whoch segment you belong to and are formed as a reaction on the socio-economic conditions you're living - in both in the large scale class-relations way of seeing this, but also in the very mundane aspects of life. For example, certain groups in French society express a preference for pot-au-feu type meals, which need to be on the stove for 6 or 8 hours, and thus are impossible to make without a housewife, etc. You see what the general idea is.

    I have this not fully fledged idea which I cannot get rid of that the American left has lost so much as a result of CIA-involvement, that they involuntarily have adopted an outspoken preference for losing a signifier. The doomerism, the idea of being an unsalvagable nation, theoryless declarations that the entire US working class are actually all Labour aristocracy etc. There are so many times I'm confronted with instances where this lens makes sense.

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  • [–] 26 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

    classic french policy, warmonger against the germans for more popular support

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  • [–] 16 points 17 hours ago

    oh look, the left wing moderate liberals have a kindred spirit in their war against russia and the great replacement. i mean we already knew that from their endorsement of azov

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