I think my biggest problem with AI (besides it's environmental destruction) is how much it's been shoved down our throats and how ubiquitous it's become. From Google to Amazon, Facebook to Deviantart, it's just everywhere, with no way to opt out of it. I was even getting texts from my school from an AI bot that I didn't sign up for.

Very exhausting. I constantly have to remind myself that the people who dehumanize and lesserize me don't actually have any physical power anywhere in the world, so I don't need to fear them.

We are just unironically regurgitating the Silesian weavers’ revolt.

That's what the capitalists want. They want us arguing over AI either being a panacea bringing about a magical capitalist utopia, or something that will kill us all unless we allow our ubermensch capitalist leaders to control it completely. All the while the real problem is capitalism and how it turns all good innovations into anti-worker tools.

Honestly it's what has made me a less frequent visitor in this forum. It's really tiring seeing so many posts about AI hype, with the only difference from here to Instagram is that it's Chinese AI hype. Not only aren't things necessarily good/socialist just because they're from China, but these are still just profit-seeking corporations being reported on by hype-seeking western news outlets, and people here still fall for it and reproduce it like they're your credulous AI doomer uncle. I don't have the time and energy to go digging through the hype for information to argue over random products from a corporations in a country whose language I can't read.

China is doing good tech work due to high speed rail and circuit lithography techniques, not because some random company made realistic looking humanoid bots that serve only to decorate presentations or luxury sex dolls for extremely rich pervs.

Worse yet is that even here people conflate chatbox LLM "AI" stuff with actually incredibly useful and reliable Data Mining techniques we used to call "IA".

My thoughts have always been "I don't trust a single thing coming from the west, but I will moderately trust stuff from China because I know they intentions for the use of technology is altruistic." Nothing good will ever come from the west until the festering rot of capitalism is gone.

And it gets old even on here seeing people go crazy over every miniscule bit of AI anything. It's a tool like anything else. You can use a hammer to build a house or to smash in a skull. What matters is who wields it, cause it's not going away.

"the technology is inevitable, bro. it's inevitable, bro. you're a luddite for opposing historical progress. stop slandering the technology."

every argument for LLMs I've heard came from people who are unable to comprehend a world where art, human language, and conversation aren't commodities.

It's exhausting cause the problem is and has always been capitalism lmfao

People need to look beyond the noise generated in US media and examine how it is being utilized in China. They started with open source, discovered how it would actually be used by developers and people, then built the systems. US was, let's spend billions, force people to use what we create, then drop an IPO to get our investment back.

I just want discussions on it to be more nuanced than "AI nothing but a grift like NFTs" or "AI is going to transcend reality and fly off into space" polarities of extremes. I don't even mind if people come to the conclusion of seeing it as a net bad, as long as they're doing proper analysis of what it is in practice.

I maintain that a lot of the angst is due to the lion's share of the conversation about it (in the west) being decided by the investor class / marketing teams under capitalism and the changes they make in the world, which gives people good reason to dislike it. Like I'm pretty sure there's been data that people in China tend to have a more positive view of AI than in the west. But as a concept, what commonly gets called AI now (which is mainly gen AI in western conversation about it) is primarily a new form of automation. The singularity stuff is kind of a pipe dream and not needed for automation to reshape the world, which was happening long before AI became the big buzzword. What makes gen AI more distinctive is, in particular, the fundamental design of language models to mimic human conversation as accurately as possible. Which introduces unique questions about the implications of having such a convincing virtual imitation machine that more obviously disembodied forms of automation wouldn't cause. But underneath it, it is still automation, not an authentic recreation of a person. However, it's good enough at imitating and following along that some people get taken in by the simulation of it, which can create new problems or worsen existing ones, especially in a culture like the US's that is already highly immersed in bullshit. On the other hand, some people have found the simulation of it to be helping for processing difficult things in a context that feels safer than what they otherwise have available.

So it's complicated.

The idealism approaching the subject on all sides is what makes it so exhausting. If people would just stop look at the materialist perspective there wouldn't be any problem.

There are lots of things on both sides of the fighting that are valid and can be true at the same time but people have their minds made up one way or the other and that's that.

It's one of those things that is changing the world rapidly so I can understand why it is so divisive. The media bubbles we're all in definitely contribute to the divisiveness and helps people build walls and insulate against any other information.

It's a huge problem we face around the world but especially so in the US and capitalist countries. In the US you have a 1 way media blast from TV news/radio/etc which is streamlined and aligned. Then your online bubble will reinforce your position either way, whether you know you're in one or not.

Yes, if only because I've embarrassed myself discussing it and will continue to do so. First I was pro AI, then I was anti AI, now I'm pro AI again.

On the bright side, a bunch of western tech "workers" like myself are about to be proletarianized af.

by far the most tedious 💽 🐴 i have the misfortune of remembering

I just want people to stop pretending it's some amazing sentient technology and treat as what it actually is. A very advanced search engine.

Edit: The fact that this is my most downvoted comment ever shows me that an unfortunate number of comminists also buy into the bs hype, IT'S A FUCKING SEARCH ENGINE. IT DOESN'T THINK. IT JUST CANNIBALISES THE THOUGHTS OF REAL PEOPLE AND SPITS THEM OUT IN YOUR FACE.