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[–] 81 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Fifty-one percent of U.S. adults now believe drinking one or two alcoholic beverages a day is bad for one’s health

51% of US adults now dimly aware of research supporting the claim that habitually drinking poison is bad for you, actually.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's too generous. They stay sober for 6 days a week then get heavily inebriated before getting behind the wheel of an SUV. It's just that fewer and fewer of them can afford those drinks and/or SUV.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Feel like this is being framed as a good thing but I want to give another perspective. Depression rates are at an all time high. Loneliness is creeping back up to 2020-era levels. People are goddamn miserable. I think about the only person I know whose life has improved since the 2010s is my sister. Even having small talk with like waitresses, cashiers in stores, you get a sense that everyone is just miserable and trying to hang on.

    I stopped smoking weed and drinking in 2016 when my anxiety just became too much to bear. Those things are often portrayed as substances that take the edge off, but my experience was the complete opposite. My anxiety would just get worse. I wonder if other people are having similar experiences here and it explains the drop. Because idk when I remember the time that I used to smoke like a chimney and binge drink every weekend, it was a time when I was so much happier. Stopping doing those things was not something I did because I really wanted to, and it’s been linked to a period where I’m just increasingly miserable. Anxious and depressed. So I wonder if others have stopped drinking because of similar reasons of being miserable. Because interestingly my sister has started drinking since the 2010s. Giving support to my anecdotal hypothesis.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    People also can't afford it at all. When a drink outside is like minimum 10 bucks and you're expected to have more than one it's impossible to just leave the house and get a drink

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah this is huge. I used to drink at house parties and in basements. It was either free or I’d throw a couple bucks into a pot. I remember the first time going to a bar and ordering a drink and my eyes damn near popped out of my head when they told me how much it cost. And that was over a decade ago. I shudder to think what it’s like now.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    same. i scaled back my drinking 5 years ago because i was taking life changing risks when i got drunk and i needed to clear my head about an unhealthy relationship that i was in. while i felt healthier and more stable during this sober period it was a somewhat miserable and boring time in my life. it made me look back fondly on my drinking days. I don't see myself going back to drinking on such a regular and intense basis but i have reintegrated drinking back into my life on the weekends and it's improved my overall mood.

    i guess it's about balance just like anything. less people drinking means less problem drinkers but I think going out to a bar and getting a little drunk (responsibly) every once in a while is a good thing for many people.

    i also quit smoking weed because of the anxiety and I miss it less than alcohol. weed used to be my main crutch but something about my biology or attitude changed and the negative side effects came to outweigh the benefits. though I have also reintroduced very modest cannabis use back into my weekend routine.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Once upon a time:

    By 1810 the number of distilleries in the young nation had increased fivefold, to more than fourteen thousand, in less than two decades. By 1830 American adults were guzzling, per capita, a staggering 7 gallons of pure alcohol a year. . . In modern terms those 7 gallons are the equivalent of 1.7 bottles of standard 80-proof liquor per person, per week—nearly 90 bottles a year for every adult in the nation, even with abstainers (and there were millions of them) factored in.

    From Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition, by Daniel Okrent

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    We now know that Prohibition is bad policy, but people don't think about how bad the alcohol problem was that the Temperance Movement managed to get it into the Constitution.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    I was going to ask who tf is drinking alcohol every day but then I remembered growing up my parents had a glass of wine most nights before bed, guess since they weren't getting drunk/tipsy it never really "counted" in my eyes

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, nearly everyone in my family had 1+ drinks per day. For some 3-4 was the floor. Now, they all have major health problems or have died an early death. I thank my autistic desire to remain fully in control of myself for never getting into alcohol or other drugs at a young age. I have since relented a little and enjoy psychedelics from time to time.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I thank my autistic desire to remain fully in control of myself for never getting into alcohol or other drugs

    Damn, wish that was how my autism worked, mine made me love that alcohol makes talking easier

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago

    Lmao same, one of the reasons I only drink at shows/parties is that it's a cheat code to socializing/avoiding overstimulation. Sure it's not a healthy strategy but I go out so little I figure it's fine

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago

    maybe 10 years ago, i was dating somebody. we were both mid 30s-ish. at the time, i would have considered myself a "social drinker" because i only had a few if i was at a party of some kind, and had been that way for years prior. i remember going to meet my gf's family (2 parents, 3 siblings + 2 partners, +4 other family) at thanksgiving and within 30 minutes of arriving, everybody was focused on making sure they had enough to drink at the house, and figuring out how much and what everybody "needed" and that everybody was more or less contributing in proportion to what they would drink.

    my initial read was that it was kind of funny, all these 30-50+ year olds dedicated to "the party" of a house gathering like broke 22 year olds. by the second day i realized it was actually pretty grim. it was because more than a few legitimately "needed" to be half in the bag starting at 11am or they would become very unpleasant. and it would be additionally "bad" if inventory ran out, because they would likely try to sneak out and buy more despite being intoxicated and there were already issues with DUIs. so like it was a coordinated team effort to enable this shit and prevent unpleasantness. and it was all obviously super normal for these people. i was the odd ball for not needing anything, and being contented with nothing.

    it definitely feels like a quasi-generational thing, and i am near some kind of cusp. like i quit altogether several years ago and people younger than me i hang out with socially do not find this odd or even something to acknowledge. they don't organize events centered around drinking. people older than me seem to expect i'll want to drink and want some kind of story or assume i had a "problem" that drove me to quit when i turn down the offer.

    the reality is, i had stopped altogether before covid, just because it's dumb and i don't like being dehydrated. nor do i like feeling that extra "bleh" when i wake up.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Have a friend that before I largely stopped drinking I considered my canary in the coal mine because he probably still puts away at least 3-4 drinks a day, the employees at the corner store near his house all know him by name.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I lost my best friend to alcoholism so I have a complicated relationship with it. He was worse off than your friend, at the end he was almost exclusively buying everclear. Him passing definitely was a bit of a wakeup call, I still enjoy having a few drinks once in a while but I'm definitely more aware of the possibility of it becoming a problem

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Cool, now are you going to pay us so we can afford to go out drinking?

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Fuck this country but pockets of it like New England, the megaopolis, and the west coast are literally the potential man meme.

    From a 100% lib perspective, I find myself screaming “bro you are so close what are you doing?”

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago

    can't afford that shit anyway even if i wanted to go out and be with the plague rats.

    no point in drinking alone when there's weed alone

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago

    I'm drinking a lot less. I'm getting older, and it's harder on my body.

    Having access to weed and psychadelics helps, but also the alcohol-free-beers are much better than they used to be.

    I still drink, but I fully support younger generations not drinking as a health choice. I suspect a lot of this is, unfortunately, not due to health concerns, but afordability.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    I had two drinks last night at happy hour with some coworkers and it was kinda nice to be slightly more relaxed and smiley, but they both tasted like alcohol aka bad (cosmo and long island ice tea, which are supposed to not even taste alcoholy??) and it upset my stomach. And it cost money! And it's bad for me!

    Might just retvrn to teetotaling. Save my substance bandwidth for something nicer

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

    I thought long Island ice teas were known for their high alcohol content?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    The selling point is supposed to be that it's really strong but tastes weak, or even barely acloholic.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    So long as you are using decent quality spirits, this should be the case. The kind of liquor you get in a well drink can be pretty rough depending on the venue. When I was drinking in bars I chose a dive bar for its well liquor selection being slightly above the bottom shelf because that monarch vodka taste is woof

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    monarch vodka

    ooof that looks like the shit i was drinking in the Bad Times

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    My stomach hurts just thinking about drinking it lol, that along with Three Star and Popov, which my phone amusingly wants to correct to “poopoo”

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    [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    I'm only sad it took me so long to stop. So much wasted time resources opportunities etc. Our culture pushes the "coolness" of it then people are off to the races. It becomes a cash cow for the capitalists after that due to addiction and our material conditions encouraging escapism. Pedal to the metal on depression baybay.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    Last week, we had a little going-away campfire for a couple of our coworkers. I brought sun tea and simple syrup so people could sweeten it like they wanted to.

    Boss thought it was vodka for a second and we joked about it. But it was funny to think, we're all like 20-35 and no one seems to drink besides me. And I drink like 1-2 per month. Doesn't help that we all had to drive home afterwards and we're all reasonably responsible.

    Its doubly funny because me and the boss talked about how we officially can't do anything alcohol related because of our employer's rules. Can't do a history of cider or small beer event because of town rules and/or requiring a liquor license. Plus its "not family friendly". Which, yeah, I get, but there is such a gulf between unhealthy drinking and "Here is one drink thats 2% alcohol and a history lesson about how and why people made alcohol".

    Its a shame because I love learning and talking about historical alcohol/drug use. Especially the less depressing use (topics like preservation, taste, and medicine, rather then misuse).

    Overall, its really good that people are drinking less. But it does suck a bit for those of us who like weird shit.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    turns out drinking alcohol depletes vitamins needed to function without pain / headache. Recovering from drinking should include supplimenting before and after the session.

    Maybe it works for some people, but for me it just feels really bad. It also makes me sad and angry.

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    [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago*

    The teetotalers will soon overtake the alcoholics. Big Booze is at least as afraid as Big Tobacco.

    We're coming for you sooner than you think, Anheuser-Busch, Phillip Morris, et. al. gui

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    [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I enjoy a beer every now and then, but i've never felt compelled to drink that much

    Probably helped that one of my first drinking experiences was with fortified wine

    It was my first and last hangover and I am not keen to repeat the experience

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I used to drink like a fish. You know it was bad when I stopped getting hangovers, I was just drunk from sun up to sun down.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    How does this compare to Europe and especially England where drinking is more common?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago

    I thought for sure they were going to blame Islam for this.

    "ALCOHOLICS FURIOUS AS HIJAB WEARING YOUTH REFUSES TO GO OUT DRINKING."

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago*

    There is truly excellent beer where I live, and I don't remember the last time I bought it outside of a restaurant. Shit's expensive, I'm old enough to feel it the next day if I have enough to make the alcohol matter, and it takes up fridge space.

    Meanwhile, weed is almost free. Even the people who grow it professionally give it away.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    I had a mangonada margarita yesterday and that's cause we do our weekly splurge meal up front on the weekend. Otherwise, I try not to touch the stuff except at social functions. Everything is so fucking expensive.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    I learned recently the term teetotaler comes from a report about people's total alcohol consumption per year

    The way the non drinkers were recorded on the report to emphasize that they claimed they didnt drink at all was something like "the T Total of alcohol consumption was zero"

    If you said it out loud itd be like "the capital T total of alcohol consumption was zero"

    Im a teetotaler comfy

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