My kids don't say the pledge of allegiance. It started out as an atheism thing, but now I feel like it's teaching them to not trust the government in general.
Under God wasn't even part of the original pledge. It was added in the 1950s iirc.
Pledge of Allegiance (Wikipedia link)
Republicans and the Christian fascists would lose their fucking minds to learn who wrote the original PoA. A Union officer, who did not include the line "Under God" (which was added as late as 1954!). Then, it was altered by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist:
Bellamy was a Christian socialist,[1] who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'"[6] In 1891, Bellamy was "forced from his Boston pulpit for preaching against the evils of capitalism",[3] and eventually stopped attending church altogether after moving to Florida, reportedly because of the racism he witnessed there.[10] Francis's career as a preacher ended because of his tendency to describe Jesus as a socialist. In the 21st century, Bellamy is considered an early American democratic socialist.[11]
Pretty cool guy.
They love that Bellamy salute though
Gotta get them early. My 6 year old wants to be a solider or police officer and talks about Jesus and God a lot.
As an anti-establishment and atheist household. He's not getting this from us. He's picking it up at school.
I don't try to fight him on it. But I don't condone blindly following and challenge my kids to be introspective on their beliefs. If after taking the time to really think things through he decides to stay the course at least it was his decision.
Anyhow these tactics are intentional and always present throughout life. The best thing to arm a child with is feeling comfortable to ask "why".
The best thing to arm a child with is feeling comfortable to ask "why".
This can be a double edged sword with very talkative or inquisitive kids.
My kid is too damned smart and wants to know how everything works, so they ask why. But often we don't know, or they're not satisfied with the answer and keep asking why. If screens didn't disregulate them so much I'd go tell them to look it up, but I til then I have to answer the string of 10,000 whys (to later get told I'm wrong by the kid who had no idea what we were talking about 20 minutes ago, and is now an expert despite not looking into it at all ...) and mentally scream because I refuse to douse that curiosity, even if I run out of patience for it at times.
Oh I treat those all as teachable moments. The hard part is keeping them from getting themselves in trouble.
I just don't want my kids to get shot.
When my kids were younger they had a lot of those same comments. I would talk about the christian god in the same way I talked about Zeus.
The best thing to arm a child with is feeling comfortable to ask “why”.
That pretty much encompasses the entirety of my parenting approach. Good to see! Your kid(s) are lucky to have you :)
Hey North Korea
You're so fine
You're so fine
You blow my mind
North Korea
you will love the place you happened to be born, regardless, fuck anywhere else any other human was born, this is the best place, no question, fuck yeah, you just happened to be born here, and here is the best.../s because you chucklefucks might take it seriously
/s and all, except for the majority of people, literally this.
If brainwashing people into nationalism didn't work, countries would barely exist at all.
The current concept of a nation state is greatly helped by nationalism, and giving people a passport and a nationality at birth does help to have them connect to the highest level of government and not just their local region, but people have died in the name of their country long before anyone wrote a word about nationalism. People have an inner need to connect to others, the people in charge of a village want their village to be part of something greater, people in charger of that greater thing do too, and on and on.
Brainwashing people with nationalism can certainly be helpful for people with power, i don't disagree, but I don't think it on it's own is all that is needed for countries to come into being and people to rally behind it's flag. Pride is another thing we are all born with in greater or lesser extend. We want do not only want to be part of a tribe, we want our tribe to be the best tribe.
We want do not only want to be part of a tribe, we want our tribe to be the best tribe.
The issue is when this changes from "I want my tribe to be the best" to "It's my tribe so it is the best". Nationalism vs Patriotism as I understand the terms.
Is there a difference between pledging allegiance to a flag or a republic in general vs to a particular person?
It is incredibly weird and bad for a self titled republic to require its children to pledge allegiance. Arguably, only public officers (millitary, elected officials, government workers, etc) should be pledging allegiance as a sort of oath ceremony.
Dont get me started on Texas's state pledge
Nah it's all weird.
thats communism!
wait ...
False dichotomy. \thread
What's the alleged dichotomy? It sounds like they're saying pledges of allegiance are bad, regardless of whether it's ours or the scary foreigners.
Actually they're making a joke about American/Western projection. North Korea has no pledge of allegiance. South Korea and the US, on the other hand...
It's always weird when people find out something everyone else knows...
And see them act like they just discovered world changing secret knowledge no one else has discovered.
Just in general, it's disconcerning so many people are acting like trump these days.
Not everyone is from the US of A. As a European it is not unrealistic that this would have been the first time I heard of it.
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1053/
Interesting that this specific XKCD comic uses US statistics.
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