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"What are you gonna do, negotiate me?"
Nah he's safe. He promised to let the US Fed control Argentina's monetary policy. He wanted to change the currency to bitcoin, but he'll settle for USD.
us already controls half the world monetary policy, so that wouldn't change anything. Argentina especially, considering previous default court shenanigans and imf loan of something like 50 bln
An IDF spokesman might say "It was negotiated," to refer to one of their snipers killing a journalist and then we'll know the IDF was in this thread.
Giving up the ability to set monetary policy and becoming economically dependent on the US is an insane move.
the dollar is freedom tho 
Smells like a CIA asset to me
The cool part about giving the whole world brainworms is that acting as a cia asset is the default until you take the time to learn more.
It's 50/50. LatAm chuds tend to be massive America worshippers. The nationalistic right-wing chuds are often outnumbered by them.
but as it is already, peripheral countries have almost zero ability to set monetary policies. Basically only the US, the EU, Japan and China can do that. The rest of the world is effectively managed by the central banks of the bigs, and even then it is really the US Fed that is in control. He's just ceding what little control the argentine central bank had.
What are you talking about? This is the most sensible ancap policy every conceived
The reason this kind of thinking is popular among the masses is often because the local currency is worthless and subject to hyperinflation. So people see a stable currency in the US dollar, and the central bank of their country constantly failing to curb runaway inflation, and think oh lets just use the USD. Without considering any of the macroeconomic consequences of essentially having no domestic economic policy or economic sovereignty.
In Zimbabwe it's basically all South African Rands and US dollars for instance.
If you are a billionaire it is awesome.
Dude is going to commit suicide by stabbing himself multiple times in the heart. There's no way he lives out his term by pulling stunts like this.
They'll find a nice boring buttoned-up CIA sponsored conservative to replace him.
He's going to dollarize the country, he is the CIA-sponsored neocon
Naked Capitalism laid out why Milei’s dollarization plan is likely to fail:
What’s more, Argentina, on its own, is not in a position to undertake dollarization since for two simple reasons. As Alejandro Werner, former director of the Western Hemisphere Department of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), told America Quarterly, “Argentina does not have the dollars to dollarize, and it does not have access to the financial market to obtain dollars.”…
But will Washington be prepared to pour significant funds into [Argentinian dollarization]; according to estimates from the Spanish financial daily Expansión, the initial outlay alone could cost as much as $100 billion, for a project that is likely to take years to complete, and what’s more with a government that still owes the IMF $44 billion as well as billions to China. And that is a lot of money to the Biden Administration, especially with Congress blanching at providing more funds for the Zelensky government in Ukraine.
yeah but it's non-negotiable though
the initial outlay alone could cost as much as $100 billion, for a project that is likely to take years to complete
I guess the big question you have to ask is whether Biden holds Argentina in as high esteem as he holds Ukraine. My guess is that he does not.
Argentina is largely white so I am not sure the color swatch applies this time.
That's why Joe is spinning between Hitler detector and color swatch
Oic carry on.
I don't know, it's like the CIA grew this guy in a lab.
Nah. Poppy Bush was a CIA creature. Obama was a CIA creature. Milei is some freakish hybrid of Birchers and Randroids. He doesn't understand how any of the machines of government keep his constituencies in a position to support him.
Gutting the Argentinian bank might be superficially awesome for the US (assuming you squint and convince yourself cheap Argentinian exports are what Americans really hunger for). But its going to completely fuck over the domestic bourgeois. You're going to have fascist riots under Milei inside two years, tops.
You're going to have fascist riots under Milei inside two years, tops.
Between this and the rise of fascists everywhere I'm so concerned about our future as leftists. 
Its not just fascists, as American officials in Bolivia and Ecuador discovered.
But there is a real struggle between the core ideas of economic reform and social revolution, wherein folks who are comfortable but nervous despair at their future while folks who are desperate and ambitious seek to navigate an inevitable change on the horizon.
I was under the impression it's good for domestic billionaires because but protects their assets from devaluation.
Its good for domestic billionaires, because it creates an export-oriented market that rewards denuding the local economy in exchange for an internationally recognized foreign currency.
But its awful for local business owners, landlords, and political families, who are still stuck servicing the enormous foreign debts on pain of losing their domestic assets to foreign creditors. Also awful for anyone with a large stash of Argentinian Pesos, or debts denominated in Pesos, because this will only accelerate devaluation of the old currency. In the short term, Milei's proposals are going to ramp up inflation, as people try to get their hands on dollars before the state stops recognizing pesos having any value at all.
Well considering Argentina is basically a shell company for large plantation owners post deindustrialization sounds like ir will work out for "The People who Matter(TM)".
Isn't he functionally having the US replace the central bank? That might be what other commenters are missing when they are talking about coups. If he gets overthrown, surely it would be by Argentinian nationalists of some kind for basically trying to proactively make Argentina a colonial holding of the US.
You are correct he's trying to dollarize their economy on purpose, which is nuts because most of the time dollarization happens when people don't trust the local currency and keep importing dollars to use, and it fucks up the economy usually because the government has no ability to influence the economy anymore if everyone is transacting in a foreign currency
We're soon going to see the first actually existing anarcho-capitalism
What about that bear city?
the fun thing about it is they will find a way to blame communism when it fails
So, I guess he's going to get the same treatment Liz Truss got? The Adults are going to step in and remove him before he crashes the economy?
nah, this helps preserve dollar hegemony
Dudes getting couped within 6 months, tops
Not by the US, that's for sure, they want this kind of candidate in every global south country. If it were to come down to a coup, it'll be an internal matter I think.
You're the second to say this. Why do you think so?
If you mean he gets couped by his internal minister, I can see it, but if you think it'll be some kinda CIA thing I kinda doubt it.
Huh. So BRICS threatens US dollar hegemony. So stuff this like secures the US dollar directly, making a vassal whose economy is permanently reliant on USD. I think this sort of thing is going to happen a lot going forward. I expect to see the press announce how "successful" this system is, and how "great Argentina's economy is doing" in order to manufacture consent for more coups that do this same economic policy.
I don't know if this is actually a coup, or a rigged election, but this is exactly what the US wants to combat BRICS, so the idea that this is spontaneous and organic kind of comes across as absurd. It could be, I don't know what things are like on the ground in Argentina, but the US is kind of known for couping South American governments to install puppet dictatorships. Wouldn't surprise me if this guy declares martial law in order to enact these policies and suspends elections permanently.
Depends on how it plays out, but I wouldn't expect too much buzz in the english speaking media either way. If Argentina's economy levels out or grows (seems unlikely, but worth considering), you might get a few articles here or there touting it as a poster child. If it tanks, then it will largely be ignored. Maybe a few outlets give it the "Look at this ca-RAY-zee guy they elected" treatment.
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it would be funny if it didnt mean fucking over loads of people and by that i mean almost certainly the poor and most vulnerable of argentina
Unsurprising, considering the ancaps believe the Central Bank is literally communism. Why? Fuck if I know, the Central Bank controls currency so that must be authoritarian and communistic.
There are English subtitled interviews of Milei where he tried to rationalise his desire to dollarise the Argentinian economy. He tries to use economic jargon but mostly makes insane moralistic arguments ("central banks are thieves"). He is clearly doing this to benefit his masters whoever they may be and knows what he is doing.
Ironically the YouTube comments called him a clear headed visionary. Not sure if stupid or op.
I feel lime this guy is the final result of mkultra programs, melted his brain into some weird submission