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are you loyal to your country?
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No
Never felt any emotional attachment to the country I was born in.
It always felt really weird to “be a national”. Like for it to matter at all.
You don’t control where you’re born. I always felt it made more sense to create an attachment to things you develop a taste for.
And it felt like mass scale Stockholm syndrome for people to be so in love with the place they were born in.
This made me violently reject my native country when I went through an angry teenager phase. Now I appreciate it. But just like I appreciate any other country or thing.
Lol
fuck no
If there is a future United Council Republics of Turtle Island (or Federated Communes of Turtle Island), I'm loyal to that.
by 'loyal', does it mean being loyal to the corrupt capitalist state or the people around me?
It's a very complicated position in the Philippines because of the associated progressive nature of anti-imperialism, but I do lean not loyal in a sense that I will treat a country like any governing body, able to be criticized and democratically decided upon. I'm not jingoistic and chauvinistic about my country and would eventually want it be under a 'World Soviet Republic'.
Philippines because of the associated progressive nature of anti-imperialism
Hm... Aren't the Philippines being armed right now to fight alongside the US and Japan in the upcoming Imperialist War? I'm confused.
Basically, if you're patriotic, according to our progressive movements, you're anti-US and anti-China, and the trapos (corrupt politicians) are being controlled by China (supposedly the Duterte side) and US (Marcos side).
Currently, the anti-China sentiment is strong but the anti-US, not so much, due to the current government, but it's growing with Pax Silica.
Though, yes, the US is still arming the Philippines and still has it's bases.
It's weird. Patriotism is being used as a rallying cry for all sides, but the most 'genuine' that doesn't rely on an external power, i.e. PRC or US, is the current progressive movement, and is by this, is anti-imperialist in nature, in my opinion.
No. Both the government and the majority of the population hate me just because I exist as I am. If a war breaks out, I'll be conscripted and sent to the frontlines under-equipped to die, and my corpse will be used for their chauvinistic views.
I will not be a gusano when anything bad happens, but I lost my sympathy towards my nation a long time ago.
Hate to be that person but no, this is not correct. Long live to the heroes of the Soviet Union who gave their lives defending their homeland from fascism, long live the Cuban doctors who study all their lives to treat their compatriots.
You could say the Red Army GOATs didn't die to protect the country, but their nation. The land, though important, is but irrelevant compared to the people.
Its the people. That's what everything is about. That's what everything has always been about.
I like to think every communist is motivated not by loyalty to the state (even if its the state of the workers), but to the workers themselves. The state is just a passing thing. A tiny blip in the history of humanity
You could argue it ultimately was for the people, but one of the most memorable and widely used slogans during the war was Za rodinu, za Stalina! literally meaning "For the Motherland, for Stalin!".
Of course people don't cry "for the state!" as in "for the apparatus of class repression and bureaucracy!", but when they cry "for my country!" they're not exclusively chanting "for my peoples and close ones!"
I love my country but she keeps cheating on me with that harlot germany! I don't know what to do!
I would betray my country without hesitation, for free, I will be gloating about it
My country is the international working class
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Nice try FBI. I mean, uhh, I'm 100% loyal to my nation and to our benevolent overlord the United States, without whom we would be uhh, in trouble somehow, yeah, thankful for all the protecting us by selling us such wonderful submarines.
I'll serve crack before I serve my country
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fuck no lol what kind of loser shit is this
How can I be loyal to a concept that literally arbitrarly divides the working class?
My country is the largest perpetrator of human suffering in living memory so, no
Is your country loyal to you?
Ask not what you ought to do for your country, but what your country actually does for you and for the least of its citizens.
I have no love for the nationalistic bourgeoisie project that I happened to be born into.
Countries are just arbitrary borders drawn in blood. At the end of the day, we're all just people living on the same planet.
Would you say this too about the doctors in Cuba enduring poverty conditions, blackouts, and studying hard all their lives to treat their compatriots even during the blockade, when they could move to another country and make literally 10 times as much while also helping patients there? I think this patriotism in Cuba is saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
Yes, I would. If not for the artificial hardship imposed mainly by US sanctions, they would not need to endure blackouts and poverty in addition to the natural hardship of studying hard for that position. I don't think it is patriotism driving doctors anywhere on the planet, but rather a strong love for their neighbor.
So they should just move out of Cuba and treat people somewhere else and that would be equivalently moral?
That depends on if you're talking about a theoretical world without borders or the world as it exists today.
In a theoretical world without borders, yes.
In the world as it exists today, it's more complicated than that since the artificially-imposed hardships do still exist.
No, I'm talking about today
I answered that in a ninja edit.
You didn't really answer, "it's more complicated" is not an answer. You can say "I don't have an answer" if you don't, but I'd like to hear your opinion
I think due to artificially imposed hardships (in the case of Cuba, namely economic sanctions and active attempts at sabotage by the US government), the moral question is more difficult to answer, since citizens of one country have more privilege compared to citizens of a country with less fortune/global power. In terms of morality, it is more moral to treat those who are less fortunate, but at the same time, it is far from immoral to treat those with fortune, so long as you are not ignoring the less forunate.
I don't think there is a clear answer in a society where power structures exist, of which our current global societal structure is certainly included.
I was able to answer the question more easilly when applied to a theoretical classless society, but I don't think I can definitively answer that kind of philisophical question applied to our current society.
Well, I think personally choosing to become a doctor in Cuba, and staying there and caring for people who aren't necessarily your immediate neighbours and community is a morally good form of serving a country. They're suffering much worse living conditions knowingly just for the sake of the people of said country, who would otherwise get fucked even harder by the blockade
Note: when I say "neighbor", I don't mean it in the literal sense, but moreso in the Mr. Rogers sense, meaning "your fellow human" regardless of location or whether or not you have a personal connection with them.
I also find it interesting that you used the phrase "morally good form of serving a country", focusing on the country, rather than focusing on the people, but still mentioning the larger scale of caring for people who aren't in your immediate community. Medical doctors, generally speaking, care for people locally, with the exception of situations where remote care is feasible, for example with mental health. I think it would be of greater benefit to society if the licensing restrictions for something like mental health did not restrict the practice of that profession to a single country, but was expanded globally, but only if we also removed the profit motive from healthcare to avoid people everywhere only wanting to serve wealthy clients.
For cases where it is not feasible to care for people remotely, for example, if you are an anesthesiologist or if you work for any kind of in-patient medical care facility such as an old age home or a drug rehabilitation center (ignoring the fact that many drug rehab centers are corrupt, especially in the US given the profit motive), I don't know how it would be possible to serve a community outside of your immediate location, which makes what you said about "serving a country" confusing to me.
It is also possible to help people globally in large numbers with research and development of new medicines and medical techniques without ever meeting them or talking to them. In fact, Cuban doctors and researchers (along with researchers in other countries) already do this and export that knowledge to the rest of the world, which benefits all of humanity.
This idea isn't exclusive to medical care, either. For example, Canadian firefighters have fought fires across the border in the US in the past, since the area was close enough for them to be able to do so feasibly.
Another example of an idea that is nowhere near perfect in its implementation in its modern form, but has potential would be the ICC. If, for example, there were no borders, then it would be no problem for the ICC to arrest and try Netanyahu and Trump in an international court for war crimes, but since we have borders along with militaries and vast amounts of economic power inside those borders that protect their respective war criminal leaders, that has not been able to happen.
I also find it interesting that you used the phrase "morally good form of serving a country", focusing on the country, rather than focusing on the people
Every doctor treats people. Cuban doctors in particular treat people in Cuba, so they're serving an entire country's worth of people. I don't see the issue with this description.
Medical doctors, generally speaking, care for people locally
If I commute 45 minutes to work I'm no longer caring for people locally, most patients seen by doctors are people they don't know or have heard about, all that many Cuban doctors know about most patients is that they're in Cuba and they're sick, so they get treatment.
I already explained the moral difference to me between a Cuban doctor choosing to move to Germany and make 5000€/month treating Germans, vs a Cuban doctor staying and Cuba and earning 500€/month treating Cubans (I'm making up the figures). I don't need hypotheticals about outpatient clinics, or rehab centres, or Netanyahu, I'm describing a specific existing situation and judging its morality, I don't see the need for imaginary alternative universes where the ICC works to explain how "doctor chooses to get a huge pay cut and treat people from their country" is, I believe, almost universally morally positive.
You're asking an inherently philisophical question and refusing to consider hypotheticals? That makes for shitty philosophy.
Also, my argument is about countries having borders, not very specifically about doctors in Cuba. You just gave me a very specific example and I responded with other examples.
You know, I keep looking for the line between Canada and the US and I just can't find it! You'd think it would be easier to see, beginning to think it's just made up.
My ancestors used to reside on that border, location depending on the time of year because that’s how they lived back then. Then the Europeans came and drew their line and my ancestors said “fuck it” and smuggled shit across said border because we had family on both sides.
WHy the fuck would I be? - signed, an american
Treason is the most based crime
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I HATE my country and actively root for its obliteration. I'm an 
so I'm not really a fan of any country, but there will always be a "special" place of HATE within my blackened heart for 
, and I'm instinctively distrustful of settlers until they show me reason to trust them.
Death to , and I hope the going hurts like hell for the supporters of
when this vile project collapses.
Why would I be loyal to something that has no loyalty to me?
I am loyal to those who chose to do good and help those around them.
Death to america
I swear loyalty only to the proletariat
I think I’m too autistic to understand the concept of a country and I can’t be loyal to something I don’t understand
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