For fuck's sake, don't talk about it. Don't posture, don't chest-beat, and don't blather about it in public. Don't give the fucker any warning. Just do it when he shows up.
No,you don't get it. The mere fact that he is talking about it now is a good indication that he's already done all the analysis, and knows he can't take any action. So, by coming out and saying he's "examining" it, he continues to keep the issue in the news and gain popularity on it in spite of knowing the law is not on his side.
He has made the political determination, though, that even New York City, which by some estimations has over 1M Jewish people living in it, is fed up with Netanyahu. Which is pretty remarkable.
I think the issue comes from a mayor acting on behalf of a country. You really don't want that kind of thing. I agree Netanyahu needs to be arrested and tried for his crimes. I just don't think a mayor could actually do it without federal approval.
Correct. The US is structured with a hierarchy where federal laws supercede state laws supercede local laws.
The US is not (thanks for the correction) an ICC signatory and is ~~supposedly~~ therefore not obligated to comply with Netanyahu's arrest warrant and ship him to The Hague, ~~but~~ so the ICC can't compel the US federal government to actually do anything about it.
As much as it is a crime drama meme, diplomatic immunity is still a thing and would preclude his arrest (be it for a local law or attempted compliance with the ICC warrant) as long as the fed asserts that he has diplomatic immunity.
So this is a situation where the only practical option available to try to hold him accountable is vigilantism.
The US is an ICC signatory and is supposedly obligated to comply
Not anymore. Clinton signed the treaty but never submitted it for ratification, so the US technically was never part of the ICC, and Bush "un-signed" it, absolving the US of any responsibilities whatsoever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court
I mean, they could arrest him and immediately get him on a private plane to an ICC country, or the Netherlands, direct to The Hague.
Handling it the way ICE does sending people to various places, including internationally before the courts have a chance to do anything. Malicious compliance.
Good call, thanks for the correction.
He can most certainly be arrested. He can't be prosecuted. "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride"
A bullshit arrest would be great political theater for the mayor.
I mean there's a purely mechanical issue as well, in that Netanyahu would have a bunch of his own armed security, plus US diplomatic security.
He just needs to put Riggs and Murtaugh on it. Ezpz
Just because a country isn't "obligated" doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't do what is right.
So that’s why you can’t legally buy pot in NY, right? Because of the federal law making it illegal?
Oh, wait…..
There are two reasons he can't do anything.
First is the idea that when the UN chose to place its HQ in New York, the US likely had to agree to safe passage for all diplomats and officials going to the General Assembly. That just makes sense. The UN can't function if the Host Nation gets to control who goes to the meetings.
Second, the US isn't a party to the ICC in the first place, and doesn't formally recognize its jurisdiction. IMO, this is actually the correct position, because the ICC as it is currently run does not guarantee all the protections that US courts grant its citizens, so the US could not subject its citizens to it. (Even Bill Clinton, who signed the treaty at first, acknowledged this and did not send the treaty to the Senate for ratification. George W Bush "un-signed" the treaty a few years later).
So, it really would be impossible for a local police force to arrest a foreign leader with diplomatic immunity on the warrant of a court which is not recognized by the government.
The USA doesn’t recognise the ICC because they do not want their citizens to be subjected to it. There are quotes from senior officials and diplomats essentially saying that the USA agrees with the concept of the ICC but only for lawless countries where people who violate international law are unlikely to be held to account. Essentially it is a humdinger of an example of “rules for thee but not for me” creedo. The US hides behind its UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) as a panacea excusing it from subjecting itself to the rules it wants to enforce on the rest of the world. The argument is that the UCMJ is sufficient to enforce accountability and international law, and that the ICC is superfluous. It’s a tenuous argument at best and ultimately shelters the USDF from international accountability for their actions.
There are legitimate concerns about American participation in the ICC:
the US Constitution guarantees jury trials for major offenses, and the ICC doesn't use them
the US Constitution states that the US Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction over all other courts, and there is no room for an international court to fit in that structure
US courts claim jurisdiction over US citizens who commit crimes on US soil, and there is no mechanism to insert the ICC into that.
So it's not just that the US doesn't want to play nice, there are things in the structure of the ICC that violate the US Constitution. Those contradictions would have to be resolved before the US can join, either by changing the ICC or changing the US Constitution.
I'm pretty sure that's the same in most other countries, at the very least the highest court jurisdiction, yet somehow they were able to still be part of the ICC
He’s probably talking about it cause it’s not gonna happen.
Talking is realistically all he can do since UN is governed by a pretty complex web of federal law. He'd end up in a standoff with the feds and Mossad. Talking about it is more than any other US politician is doing though.
BS does seem to work on maggots which is why the lies can flow freely. I know the ICC has no power so why does it exist? I like the idea of political theater by Mandami a lot what's the down side, losing orange assh as a pretend friend?
In a city of billionaires, Mamdani is not owned, which is why they're all so scared of him: the powers that be can't control him, and they can't even predict him.
Which is exactly what makes this so based. Mamdani IS the mayor of NYC. He could make Bibi's arrival in his city a little slice of hell in all manner of ways, many of which would break no law at all, and many New Yorkers would be thrilled to do their part.
But will he? No one knows. And that's the beauty of it. We all know he's thinking about it now.
So whether this pans out in reality or not, it's always good policy to make a motherfucker watch his own back. Mamdani just turned Bibi into a motherfucker with a back that needs watching in NYC.
New England loves taking down tyrants. It’s kind of our whole thing 😉
Loving the recent "New York is a part of New England" trend.
A joint northeastern political identity will help with soft balkanization.
Aww two Confederate sympathizers downvoted you.
I appreciate when my leaders use their power to arrest war-criminals. It makes the world a safer place
It's been a LONG time since you've felt that appreciation.
i'd love to see him pull that one off!
Just roll up on him like the US marshals did yesterday to the Tate brothers.
Still kind of surprised that happened.
fucking BASED. This guy is amazing.
Americas Mayor.
Yeah why does USA not want international law? The U.S. has never ratified the ICC because why would they give up the freedom to do what they want… USA does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. The 2002 American Service-Members’ Protection Act (ASPA) literally states that the U.S. will attempt to protect U.S. military personnel and other citizens from ICC persecution, even with military action if necessary. That bill was nicknamed “The Hague Invasion Act” because in theory it authorizes the president to use force to free Americans from ICC prison. They even go as far as using big tech to blackmail members of the ICC that investigate war crimes of the US military (or Israel). crazy.
Neither USA nor Israel is among the 125 signatories of the Rome Statute, which established the ICC in 1998. However, the treaty sets out that nationals of non-member states can be tried for crimes that take place on the territory of states that are signatories. But if mamdami arrests netanyahu and delivers him to The Hague that would be a dream for everyone who wants global peace and justice, probably followed by sanctions from crybaby trump tho lmao
Would be a shame if a "malfunctioning" "AI" air traffic controller directed his plane into a tanker truck "mistakenly" left on the runway.
It's crazy but in current day USA people will go "Oh yeah, that's just something that happens sometimes."
Best not to make such decision public. See whether Netanyahu is willing to gamble.
Seems like that’s the point. If they tell him they will arrest him he might not come at all
As much as I'd like to see it, it's just posturing. Congress has explicitly stated that state and local LEOs cannot recognize or enforce ICC warrants.
Fucking do it anyway
Let him sit in Riker's while the case drags though the courts. Probably take at least a couple of years before SCOTUS forces his release. He deserves a lot more than 2 years in prison, but it's better than nothing.
ah, yes, congress, famously known for upholding the law and morality of late
Its not like Trump listens to congress or rules.
Oh, come on! Don't say it out loud! Just prepare quietly. Subrepciously redirect him to a Jet charted to go straight to the Hague. And I don't mean the nearest airport. I mean landing right by the freaking door of the International Court.
It may be he's just bluffing to keep Netenyahu out of the city.
It's not a good look for Mamdani to let him in the city while doing nothing about it (or even being forced to provide security for him), but actually arresting him might cause a small civil war.
He should get the real peace prize and Time’s person of the year if he manages this.
What a coincidence! In my household we just went to the bat store yesterday to purchase celebratory bats in case Netanyahu came to visit us! The kids go some heavy gauge plastic ones. I, on the other hand, found a nice, hefty aluminum one with heavy embossing. It has a lot of sharp edges and features that could help turn things around.
In my opinion you need solid ash for a good baseball bat. Aluminum ones can dent when hitting...uh...baseballs too hard.
That's a funny way of spelling concrete filling. But my strike rate will drop with mass. That's just physics. What to do? Welded Winter tire studs? 3" screws from one end to the other? It's getting complicated. Ash sounds like a much simpler solution.
There's also the Luigi route.
Based
That would, unfortunately, be a big stretch.
Owaowbased
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