Hey denizens of Lemmy let me explain something to you. This years old meme is not asking for weight loss advice from any of you. Just laugh and move on. Resist the urge to give advice that nobody asked for.
To everyone who didn't move on, welcome to the trenches. and fuck you
Fuck you!
No please, I insist. Fuck you!
Listen guys. Nobody's genetics letting them escape thermodynamics. Eat less do more. You have enough energy on your body to not eat multiple days in a row.
genetics determines how much nutrients you absorb from things you eat, it determines how easily you feel hunger, it determines your baseline energy consumption.
genetics can absolutely make you more likely to gain weight.
Yes and regardless of any of those factors if your energy intake is below your energy usage you'll lose weight.
Unfortunately people respond differently to hunger.
Someone I know is trying to lose weight. Problem is, if they go ~100 kcal below maintenance they turn into a stress eater. ~200 below and they are unable to stop themselves from eating 400 kcal worth of food straight or of the fridge at night. All that on top of being hangry all day.
So losing weight means balancing the diet very carefully because that's not much space between eating enough to maintain the weight and eating so little that hunger overrides reason and overcompensates.
For other people going below maintenance is just kinda uncomfortable but easily doable for a couple days. Advice like "just eat less" actually works for them without having to make a whole science out of it.
Yeah but that is how you lose weight. It's one thing to be unwilling to do it because of a mental block. It's another thing entirely to impart that mental block on others as a way of feeling better about their own shortcomings.
It's quite important that you do not make the mistake of thinking that if you tell someone it is easy to do, because you find it easy to do, that does not make it easy for them to do.
With a kid, for example, you can tell them this and they will believe that it's easy for everyone, then try it and fail, and suddenly believe they are fucking stupid and it must be their fault entirely. Which makes them feel bad. Which might make them eat more, or become anorexic, or any one of a number of eating disorders.
So instead, realise that there are many factors here beyond energy in and activity out. Those are important, but not the whole story. Be kind, and take your time.
Yeah and I haven't said it was easy I just said it's how you do it
No s"t Sherlock. Doesn't really change the fact that this is much easier to achieve than for others, before we are even talking about will power. Some people can eat much more at the same workout level as others, without gaining weight. No contradiction with thermodynamics needed.
By all means keep spreading the doomer mentality of "I can't do anything to lose weight it's my genetics"
Strawman. I was saying no such thing, merely that for some it is harder than for others. Just like some would starve to dewth in a famine sooner than others at identical feed intake and rate of activity.
This is no excuse for anything, just a fact. People can gave an influence on that, no matter the genes.
I was such an asshole after I dropped 100 pounds in my 20s. I did it, you can too!
I was such a dick. I had actual anger towards fat folks for a few years.
Its like being mad folks are poor, just, knock it off. None of these comments actually help people lose weight. It actually scares them off further into the downward spiral. Lest not forget age gets us all, and you dont know what these people have been through, or are going through. You dont know.
My country, the shit stain one, they dont allow citizens to walk anywhere. Start there. I stayed fit when I could walk/bike places. Once I moved somewhere carcentric, guess what happened. Im not a dick to fat folks anymore.
Its not so black and white. The older I get, the more I realize its systemic, at least here in the god forsaken states.
remain positive, internal work is internal, and you cant make choicss for others. I wanted to give fitness to everyone when I was younger. But not everyone is brave enough to ride a bike in car city. I still get mad when I see parents giving their fat children candy. Sets them up for a lifetine of failure. I used to have my gaurdian lock me in a room, call me fat bitch, and literally throw a bag of mcdonalds at me in my teens.
you never know what someone has been through. Always kindness.
Well, one of the factors makes it hard to know what your actual caloric intake is. You are right, but it's not quite as simple as you make it sound.
Simple does not mean easy.
Our bodies have evolved to protect against weight loss. We like to think we're modern, enlightened creatures, but we're still a collection of biological processes that are centred around survival in an unforgiving world. Most of us no longer live in that world.
As a result, when we diet our bodies trigger processes that limit the effects of nutritional deficit. And sure, we'll lose weight to start with, but that hits a plateau surprisingly quickly as our metabolism catches up.
Then add into that things like ADHD (which is something affects me personally), whereby when weight loss slows to a crawl after a few weeks I get frustrated and lose interest in keeping it up. So I'm 140kg with no sign of that going anywhere any time soon.
This is textbook cope. "I won't do the thing because it's technically not the most 100% efficient way so imma be 140 forever" I've got ADHD too bud. It's possible to fast for 3 days a week.
Well, kinda.
The problem is that it isn't a 1:1 thing.
Hormones, insulin sensitivity, neurotransmitters, gut biome, muscle mass, brain activity, there's a shit ton of factors that go into exactly what that break point is. Worse, that break point isn't even 100% stable. People like to think it is, but it isn't it can change as often as daily, and at the lower end of that point, a deficit is extremely difficult for patients to maintain healthily.
And yes, it is sometimes less healthy to eat less than it is to carry some extra fat. It's not like vitamin supplementation is ideal, even when you know for a fact that what they're swallowing is mostly bioavailable.
And, frankly, that bullshit of "enough energy on your body to not eat..." is utter bullshit. Starvation does jack shit for a bariatric patient, period. No, the energy burned absolutely is not enough to maintain a healthy body and metabolism for days. I don't know where people got that idea, but it is malarkey.
I strongly urge people to go and consult with a specialist if they're having trouble reducing their body fat. It is not wise to believe the random internet stupidity that can't be bothered to stay up to date on a subject before prattling on. Fuck, I haven't even worked in two decades, and I'm more up to date than random assholes, and I know I'm behind current bleeding edge in that specific field.
Fuck, I swear, people's blind fucking cruelty trying to feel superior is disgusting. Fucking h lf assed sound bite garbage.
Thermodynamics my hairy asshole. People aren't fucking furnaces, they aren't a closed system.
The statement "Weightloss is calories in, calories out" is rather like "running a marathon is just running 100 meters and repeating it 420 more times". It's entirely true, but it's reductive beyond uselessness. Yes, if you burn more calories than you eat, you will always lose weight. And if you run 421, 100m stretches you've done a marathon. And both of those pieces of advice are completely useless to anyone trying to do it, and they can possibly even make things worse.
Managing satiety, breaking patterns, learning recipes that work for you, finding comfort without food, learning to say no to your immediate friends and family, dealing with binging, rewarding yourself without food, and many maaaaany other things are the tools people need to lose weight.
Calorie counting is useful and foundational, but you like my therapist used to say: "you can't live in a foundation". But, without a good foundation, you can't build a house either. If you switch your 5000 calorie fastfood diet for 5000 calories of fruit and vegetables, you're not going to lose weight.
I feel like the number of people blaming genes for their unsuccessful weight loss attempts is far greater than the number of people who really do have bad genes for weight loss.
Or it might just be my personal experience with knowing people who failed to lose weight. Maybe not reflective of anything. I've heard this opinion may times before, but quite often it felt disingenuous.
I think it's more about people thinking exercise is a pretty good tool for weight loss. It really isn't, though it's a really good idea for health broadly, but weight loss is not that significant with activity, at least to get from the low end of obesity to healthy weight.
Managing what you eat and how much you eat is pretty unavoidable if you want to manage weight, but people keep thinking a few minutes on a treadmill should take care of it.
it's almost always the amount of trash they eat.
breads, sugar 'coffee', sugar food, cereals... it's all empty carbs. almost always... just watch people eating, you'll notice a trent that a LOT of people eat nonstop trash
Somebody went for a waddle around the neighbourhood three times and expected to drop 5kg as a result.
It's my DNA's fault
Losing weight from exercise alone is a fool's errand. You can't outrun your diet.
The secret to weight loss is to consume fewer calories than you burn. Install a calorie counting app and log everything you eat for at least a week straight to get a good idea of how much you're eating compared to how much you need, and then adjust accordingly. When done correctly, you can expect to lose 1-2lbs per week.
Also weigh your portions. Most people under count their calories because they use the default serving size instead of what they're actually eating.
As someone with a binge eating disorder (grew up playing hockey on 2 teams in highschool as well as reffing - literally on the ice every night - did not have to worry about my diet until my adulthood), 100% agree. Calorie counting in conjunction with increased cardio and weight lifting is the only thing that has worked for me
Of course, people with a tendency to develop anorexia or purging eating disorders should probably stay away from calorie counting as that can trigger dangerous disordered eating. Very important to know what works for you personally.
This screams: I ran on the treadmill for an hour and I deserve a snack. Said snack is energy bars or something like that.
I know, because that's how I used to think. Went to a dietist and her words were: Exercise is for toning, eating is for weightloss.
Yeah, you burn calories and you lose weight if you exercise a lot, but let's be real, most of us aren't exercising a lot. Going to the gym for an hour isn't the same as doing athlete sports or manual labor.
That's why, if we want to lose weight, we have to look at portion control, lean protein, cut down on starch and eating a lot of greens.
You can still eat a lot while losing weight, but most people aren't going to eat the right things and that's the issue. I was told that energy bars, crackers and anything bread-related outside of rye bread, was a weightloss killer.
It doesn't mean you can never ever have bread again, but if your aim is to lose weight, you're not gonna get very far if you snack on bread and crackers. If you snack on vegetables, however, you'll be able to eat A LOT.
There are always things you can do to adjust your diet so that you will lose weight, but if you don't know anything about what different types of food actually does to your body, you may think you're doing the right thing by eating ten bananas a day, but the scales don't move because you ate frigging ten bananas a day!
Doesn't mean you can never eat bananas or squash or fatty fish ever again, but while losing weight, you're supposed get less calories than what you need to sustain your weight. It helps reading into it and getting a basic idea of what, how and where. I didn't know shit before I had a professional helping me. I'm still no expert and my weight still goes up and down during different seasons of my life, but I know why and I know how to fix it when I get the motivation. Losing weight is very, very, very easy once you make up your mind to do it and have a basic understanding of what food does to the body.
Losing weight is very, very, very easy once you make up your mind to do it and have a basic understanding of what food does to the body.
Nice if that is so easy for you. Let me tell you how that feels for me: As soon as my body does not get its usual amount of calories, it replies with relentless hunger. The kind that burns in your stomach and distracts you from everything else. The only thing my brain wants to think about is how to get more food and how tasty it would be. If I don't give in, I go into energy save mode: I feel exhausted, my body does not want to move or do anything that could cost it valuable calories.
For a lot of people losing weight is not easy. You could also tell a smoker that it is easy to quit smoking, just don't pick up a cigarette anymore.
This is why things like ozempic are used despite it's side effect. It gives you time to get in the habit of a healthy diet without the brutal hunger and hopefully your body accepts that diet when you reduce the dosage.
Losing weight is very, very, very easy once you make up your mind to do it and have a basic understanding of what food does to the body.
No, losing weight is very very SIMPLE.
But a lot of people, like me when I was obese, don't struggle with knowing what to eat. We struggle with our brain, with satiety, with binging. With failing and comforting ourselves with food and failing more. With controlling food as a means of controlling our lives. With not taking ownership of our problems.
It's not easy at all. It's really fucking hard. But at least it's not complicated.
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Fwiw nobody loses weight through exercise anyway. You can only lose weight by consuming less than you burn. You burn more when you exercise, yeah, but you still have to resist just eating that bit more to cover the extra expense. Your basal metabolic rate increases when you build up more muscle mass, yeah, but yet again that doesn't mean that your appetite will be the same as before, you're still going to have to have the will power to eat less than you'd maybe want. Conditioning yourself to stop eating before you're absolutely full, training to manage living with a bit of an appetite without having a snack, and learning your way around food that is more filling through fibres, protein, and complex carbs like starch is literally the only sustainable path to losing weight.
That being said you should exercise either way. It's more important than losing weight for the vast majority of unfit people anyway.
You would hate me - I've always eaten whatever I want and somehow stay trim automatically. My wife eats a burger and gains 5 lbs.
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