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"Everyone's a little bit autistic"
"You're too normal to be autistic"
Litterly my coworkers used that first one... It annoys me so much. "We are all not normal here"
"Yes Janine. We all pee everyday. But can you understand the difference between peeing everyday and peeing so often each day that it disrupts other parts of your daily life?"
I swear I'm gonna use this next time I hear "everyone is a bit autistic".
What if it disrupts other people's lives more than my own?
This makes me lol because I work in an industry where people are extremely "not normal".
There are a handful of people who I would believe fit into the neurotypical category. But it's largely blue collar trades people who are at the top of their field so people are pretty accepting of quirks. It would be fascinating to study how under diagnosis of men in the trades compares to under diagnosis of "shy" women and girls.
Some example:
- people who would say they don't do math or stats but who have hockey draft spreadsheets that they fill out while watching live draft coverage.
- the people who I encounter in tunnels way after hours who are, like me, just trying to answer a question that's been bugging them and can't stop until they figure it out.
- the person who told me he was going to go home and build a model of the mixing system I described (was describing an existing system that is being operated incorrectly and how it should look) so that he could better understand it
- all the people who have the flat affect come out when they are dumping data (this warms my heart lol)
I'm on the fence about disclosing at work because if I get a response like that I will lose my mind and don't trust myself not to blurt out "half of y'all are autistic but aren't ready to hear that".
(That would be incredibly inappropriate for so many reasons)
I had a similar conversation with a date a few weeks ago. I told her that I am getting tested for autism in a few weeks.
"You don't seem autistic."
Then spent the next 15 minutes talking about Magic: The Gathering cards. She was very to forgiving and said, "Oh. I get it now."
I'd be so happy if a psych would spend 15 minutes talking to me about ISO8601 timestamps or IPv6.
PRO-TIP: When you learn that a person is a bigoted moron, just stop acknowledging their existence!
Unless you want to help fiight bigotry.
In my experience that is mostly pointless. Those people are not interested in facts they just want to be right.
That and also not being diagnosed at all because the psychiatrist gives you the reasons listed in the dialogue at the bottom. Yeah…
To be fair, the psychiatrist is deciding whether or not to diagnose you with a disorder. And it's only a disorder if it causes significant negative impacts to your function in daily life. If you're managing to cope with it so well that your life is entirely on-track, then you might have a condition, but you don't have a disorder.
I tried multiple times to come up with a purely positive comment since there’s enough negativity out there, and these sort of situations is why I tend not to use any form of social media, but this is the best I can do.
You felt the need to comment about a situation you have literally zero knowledge of, about a psychiatrist you have zero knowledge of, and about my experience you also have zero knowledge of.
To have the difficulties (as defined in the DSMV-TR for the diagnosis of Autism Spectrum) in this society is inherently disabling and a struggle to navigate. Period, end of story. That I’m not on the ground crying and nonverbal 24/7 does not invalidate this. The internal struggles are the same. She, as well as too many others, invalidate the whole concept of Autism by falsely claiming everyone struggles with these things. That was the whole point. They don’t. If you do struggle with these things then ipso facto, you’re Autistic by definition.
As far as levels or “significant negative impact,” it’s subjective and best decided by those that are dealing with those negative impacts as to the severity of them.
I was once told by a therapist that I can't be autistic because I'm married, not quite obsessive enough over my interests, and was teaching college classes at the time.
When I was a teen I was told by my psychiatrist “I would diagnose you with Asperger’s, but I’m not going to because you’ll be able to do any job you want as long as you have a secretary.”
I'll argue the flip side. I have a son who is 13 and firmly L2/L3. This is where a lot of autistic people sit and specifically online they are grossly under-represented because they don't have the capacity to socialize even from a computer or phone.
My older son is what used to be Asperger's which I would define as your L1.
I continue to hate the fact that they flattened their taxonomy with DSM V. Asperger's != Autism.
So I get and chuckle at the memes but when people think of autism they are thinking of my autistic son not the Asperger's one.
The representation of autistic people in the media, and in social media like this, is not an accurate representation of autistic people
Hi, lifelong major depression endurer here. You can absolutely laugh when you're depressed. In fact if you laugh just the right way, it can lead to increased medication and more frequent therapy sessions, maybe even a visit to a nice medical facility. Never had that last one myself, but I know someone who was legally disallowed from purchasing a firearm for years (IL).
My mom says I cannot be autistic because I’m “ in shape and pretty “ and also I “ liked being hugged as a kid “ .. yeah so why do I have fucking meltdowns when I try to eat in public and all the noise makes me nauseous and nervous? Just one tiny example that she witnesses and asks me “ what’s wrong with you ? “
In my day, I was (self diagnosed as) Asperger's (obsesses on somewhat socially acceptable things like math and physics, gets good grades, very awkward), and seeing as there was zero effective treatment available, a formal diagnosis was counter productive. I did like speed a lot in my twenties though. I eventually worked out good coping mechanisms and aside from an absurdly low social battery, I do well in my way.
Which I bring up to raise the point that perhaps this 'spectrum' thing is pretty counter productive for the profoundly disabled on the far end. Seems like people on my end (functional but could use help) are sucking the oxygen out of room to their detriment now that there are useful treatments for us. Is there some sort push towards separating the two again ?
Genuinely want to know, I feel some guilt for downgrading their suffering (even though I think, intellectually, it's a way of cheaping out on their care that I have no control over).
Given how they are a cluster of conditions where most people have some subset of noticable conditions, I'm not sure there is a clear way to differentiate them.
Also, the last person I saw who brought up this argument about how functional they are and how it was unfair to people who are less functional was in the same comment also simultaneously talking about how they're depressed or suicidal from extreme loneliness and strongly wished to be cured of their autism. That hardly seemed functional to me if you are struggling so much with life even if you can pretend to be functional enough to hold some jobs. I think many people have a strong tendency to downplay their own suffering. You can see the same behavior from people who've been victims of abuse who frequently will deny they've ever been abused, but if you ask them to describe what happened, they'll describe abuse and then just try to say it really wasn't that bad or that such is normal.
Also, we already have terminology to refer to lots of those traits commonly associated with autism. Nonverbal, hypersensitive, speech-processing disorder, and more. If there's a reason to communicate those things, you can do so with or without mentioning autism.
If helping someone with mild symptoms took away from those with more severe symptoms, I'd see a point. But I haven't come across any evidence of that.
It's important to remember that there is more going on than what we see. I can get by well enough for most daily living tasks, but when I'm at my limit I'm treated like I should be able to handle it like a neurotypical. I hate having to explain to my managers at work what it's like to shut down from overstimulation. I hate having to be seen as "unreceptive" to changes just because it takes time and understanding for me to adjust to new routines.
I'm trying my best, but to separate "mild" autism from "severe" autism diminishes the struggles that many of us go through, especially for those of us who didn't receive diagnosis or treatment as children. I've had to learn how to navigate this bizarre world on my own, but just because I can "pass" sometimes doesn't mean I've mastered it.
I see this sentiment even in my own coworkers, which is sad because we all work with autistic children. I have a learner who's exceptionally bright. He asks questions that could only be properly answered by a college professor. Sometimes when discussing him, my coworkers will ask, "Why is he even here?" I have to explain that just because someone's intelligent in some ways, that doesn't mean they're caught up with social and emotional intelligence. The kid has difficulty regulating himself, while he's made massive progress in social skills while at our school - I've seen him grow from a kid who only wants to play alone and who would get annoyed when others tried to play with him, to one that happily joins in on games with others and even tolerates when another kid has a drastically different play style.
He'll be getting ready to graduate and go off to public school soon, which will be bittersweet for me. I was a lot like him as a kid, and I can already imagine some of the difficulties he'll face - many of which will come from adults who see his intelligence and assume he can do more than he's capable of. So when I work with him, I make it a point to tell him that not everyone will understand what he's going through, while teaching him functional communication to get his needs met regardless. I'm sure this little bird will fly high some day, we don't have to teach him how to soar. But before he can get there, he has to learn how to land himself safely - that's where I (and the rest of his teachers) come in.
Both my kids are now diagnosed with autism, both my wife and I had an aha moment about our own lives and personalities. We’re a fully neuro divergent family. My mom says I can’t be because I love to learn things and read…
This with depression
This also happens when you say that you're autistic to other autistic people, but more wokely
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