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[-] Dadifer@lemmy.world 224 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft never fails to disappoint

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 80 points 2 weeks ago

Huh. I guess Microsoft and I have that in common.

🥁

[-] the_joeba@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot the symbol crash at the end. How disappointing.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 171 points 2 weeks ago

Lol! Be like GitLab instead:

1 - Be the underdog with good reputation in a market completely monopolized;

2 - Have the incumbent self-destruct by vibecoding its product and pushing AI above every other feature to its customers;

3 - Loudly announce that you are leaving your past good behavior behind, and that you are betting everything on vibecoding and pushing AI to your customers!

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[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 124 points 2 weeks ago

It is truly, deeply amazing how bad Microsoft is. Proton on Linux is FASTER than the actual directX it's emulating is on windows. They got beat at their own instruction layer.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago

And they had Skype, which was practically a genericized trademark for "video call--" until first Apple's FaceTime and then Zoom utterly took them apart.

And they had Office, which defined the product category so completely that it's called "office software--" but then Google Docs took them apart on a molecular level.

Microsoft is the king of snatching defeat from the clutching jaws of victory.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

but then Google Docs took them apart

Tapping the breaks on that one.

Google Docs is very lightweight, but it's also very stripped down. Word remains the first choice in word processors for 90% of the market. It (and Excel) are a big reason offices haven't seriously begun abandoning Microsoft.

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[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 20 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft acquired Skype, did not create it. Then destryed it with its own hands.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

They acquired practically everything they have. They haven't created anything truly new since the mid-90s.

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[-] red_tomato@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They also had Internet Explorer. When it was released it was actually good (compared to the competition). Internet Explorer was dominant, but then it turned into the punching bag of web browser memes.

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I think that Microsoft is paralyzed by corporate culture. Everything needs to be signed off by multiple stakeholders, everything needs a dozen meetings before anyone can make a decision, and as a result the stuff that's "good enough" (read: still making money) languishes--or worse, becomes a dumping ground for whatever corporate pet project is exciting--until it's unacceptably awful, mired under decades of technical debt and spaghetti code fixes.

At least they have the sense to let the successful companies they acquire manage themselves. There's no AI in Minecraft, for instance.

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[-] eatham@aussie.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago

Google docs is far worse than office, in every way except for collaboration. It does not destroy them at all. LibreOffice is on par except for having no collaboration, but is not widely used so definitely haven't destroyed them. Office is still very successful and probably won't be gone anytime soon

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[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Proton (and Wine, what it's based on) are not emulators. They are compatibility layers, it translates Windows system calls to native Linux system calls.

[-] Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org 33 points 2 weeks ago

Or simply put: Wine Is Not an Emulator

[-] luciferofastora@feddit.org 18 points 2 weeks ago

That isn't "simply put". It's a witty way to phrase half the comment, completely omitting the other half that actually explains what it does. WINE is a clever abbreviation as a name for the tool, but the opposite of descriptive about its purpose or function.

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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 116 points 2 weeks ago

They had Skype! It was the verb for video calling for god's sake! How do you LOSE so BADLY so CONSISTENTLY and STILL have investors.

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[-] red_tomato@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago

Their idea was that OpenAI was so far ahead of the competition no one could ever catch up. Turns out they weren’t and now they’re at the bottom.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 26 points 2 weeks ago

Google: "We Have No Moat, And Neither Does OpenAI". Prophetic words.

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[-] trashboat@piefed.social 49 points 2 weeks ago

Just like Skype getting lapped by Zoom during COVID

[-] Bloefz@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

It's weird because copilot in office tries to push agents on you as if it were a Jehovah's witness.

So GitHub copilot doesn't have them? I don't really use that.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 74 points 2 weeks ago

It's saying Copilot was the first on the scene and had access to literally all of the training data anyone could possibly want, and is still being shown up by most other AI models. Their failure to capture the vibe coding space is a legendary fumble. At least that was my read.

[-] Bloefz@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Eh wait. Copilot (any of the about 30 products with copilot in the name) is not a model. Microsoft makes a few models like phi but they're underwhelming. All of copilot runs on models from external parties like openai and anthropic. So basically Microsoft is at the mercy of their own competitors. They're in the awkward position that providing training data to their model providers not only improves their own product but their competitors' as well.

Additionally, Microsoft's most profitable market is enterprise and they would absolutely shiver at their data being used for training and would abandon the service in droves.

Despite being "all in on AI" Microsoft is in a really vulnerable position. Their added value is their integration with their other services (and data therein through RAG).

[-] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago

Pfffft. No way. That would be like the company that owned skype failing to capitalize on video calls during some sort of major pandemic.

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[-] getFrog@piefed.social 39 points 2 weeks ago

you literally have access to all the code in the world

I'd like to believe that they were honorable enough to not secretly train on code without people's permission. But realistically they totally did exactly that, but just made the AI Model this incompetent through some other engineering blunder.

Also, random side thought - training only on public repos probably yields you way higher code quality as opposed to training on both public and private repos? I assume we all have some very messy private repos that we're too embarrassed to publish because the code quality is absolute shit ... right?

[-] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm always so extremely confused about the trope of the personal project having shit quality... Like, if I'm doing something for myself, that's exactly the place where I wanna do something amazing, like literally all my private projects have much higher quality than my work ones - because in the work ones I'm forced to use stupid conventions, old tools, am not supposed to touch "legacy" code, etc etc etc

As such, since companies have their private code on GitHub, that's where I would expect the shittiness to come from, not personal private projects.

[-] getFrog@piefed.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

Like, if I'm doing something for myself, that's exactly the place where I wanna do something amazing,

That's always my intention with my personal projects too! But that always results in "Wow I just learned how to do this thing much better, let me refactor the whole project to do it perfectly everywhere" followed by my Adderall running out. So there's just so many half-done refactors I either forget about or abandon because I get a new idea the next day, but that's totally just a skill issue.

You're right though, the code I write at work is much worse, but my Company hosts their own GitLab instance so the code we write can't even be used to poison Copilot :(

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[-] drath@lemmy.drath.ru 17 points 2 weeks ago

They didn't check licenses in any way, as it did reproduce the famous quake fast inverse square root function, comments included. And quake, like majority of github projects, is published under GPL, which requires all copies and modifications to be published under GPL as well, after which all sane enterprises have banned copilot usage.

Though, we're not living in sane times anymore. Chatgpt, gemini, deepseek, claude, all reproduce copylefted code left and right. Realistically, Stallman should've been rolling in cash by now...

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[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

honorable enough

Lol. Lmao

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 weeks ago

That's Microsoft. They got desktop PCs. They repeatedly failed to get mobile, they repeatedly failed to get portable, they never had embedded, they had fucking Skype at one point. They drink gold and piss nickel, Microsoft.

[-] magnue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Don't forget Vine was basically tiktok and they just binned it for no reason.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Have all the code in the world

Create LLM for software development

Try to advertise it

Oops, no budget

Get acquired by Microsoft

Enshittification ensues

Everyone else loots your code repos

Microsoft tries to put your coding tool in everything

Coding tool injected into Excel

Into Word

Into Teams Chat

Nobody knows what this is even supposed to do anymore

Copilot now synonymous with Clippy

Yeah, can't even begin to imagine how this happened.

[-] Shayeta@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago

And the ONE useful feature (summarizing meeting transcripts) is behind a paywall corporate doesn't want to touch.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 13 points 2 weeks ago

"What do you mean this 4 hour meeting could be summed up in a single, 100 word paragraph without losing any important context or decision?????" - higher ups seeing the summarized transcript, probably

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[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

~~invent copilot~~

Rebrand ChatGPT

Ftfy

[-] lambipapp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Naah, the initial GitHub copilot was something else.

[-] Sinthesis@lemmy.today 11 points 2 weeks ago

I was on the Github Copilot Technical Preview (invite in my mailbox says July 16th 2021) and it was GPT-3 (not to be confused with ChatGPT which was introduced with GPT-4)

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[-] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago

I see this as proof of how bad LLMs actually are. You have an AI trained on essentially humanity's collective programming library. Languages of machines and computers. The result should be ungodly and near perfection. If there was any semblance of understanding in AI, it should be revealed in it's capability to produce code.

Although... I can definitely see Microsoft thinking that their code is the example of perfection and training copilot on that rather than github.

[-] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

should be ungodly and near perfection

Counterpoint: garbage in, garbage out

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Oh right, that.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 18 points 2 weeks ago

Your proof of how bad LLMs are is the fact that there are a bunch of other companies producing way better coding agents and coding models than Microsoft is? I'm not sure how that follows. Those other agents are good, that's the point of this.

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[-] nightlily@leminal.space 16 points 2 weeks ago

If agentic LLMs are the prize, I’d be fine with losing.

[-] VAK@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft could have been king with with chatgpt for personal superapp, github copilot for developers and something like sharepoint/power vibe widgets. But nooo, they make windows recall when ai models can't run locally

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

if they had made a unified copilot agent they would have won. Think open claw with the power of NPUs for small tasks and cloud for big queries dedicated APIs for interacting with all the microsoft products special tailored version for developers. More focus on retrieving information and doing small tasks for the user than generating slop.

The first versions they released were so fucking bad and every app had basically just a chatbot with zero functionality. It ruined the product for when it could actually do tasks.

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 14 points 2 weeks ago

It is impressive how much better claude is than copilot specifically for coding.

Like... how much bullshit is in Windows to learn off of, let alone github.

[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, Microsoft’s biggest mistake was shoving it in front of everyone’s faces. The real reason that all the other “agentic BS” is received well is because the people who use them have an actual use case, or, are very enthusiastic about the technology and enjoy messing with it. Thus the discussion is mostly from that small group of people who will have something positive to say.

The truth is, that all the models and harnesses suck for most use cases that most people have. When you shove it in front of a general audience and make them interact with it, then the discussion will be about how bad it is.

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