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Online threats to children are real, but the headlong pursuit of age verification that we’re seeing around the world is unacceptable in its approach and far too broad in scope — and we simply can’t afford to get this wrong.

To be clear, parents’ concerns are valid and sincere. Few people would argue that kids should have unfettered access to adult material, to self-harm how-tos, to social media platforms that manipulate them and expose them to abuse.

But it’s the very depth of those worries that is being cynically exploited. Age verification as is currently being proposed in country after country would mean the death of anonymity online.

And we know exactly who stands to gain: The same tech giants who built the privacy nightmare that the internet is today.

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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 4 hours ago

"It's for the KIDS, you COMMIE!"

It's time we stop accepting that rationalization as valid.

[-] krispyavuz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Shocking news! The sky is blue

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

It bothers me that we know that this bullshit has nothing to do with the kids and is probably being lobbied by the genocide gang and AI companies, even more that it has become obvious that the only value AI has is mass monitoring, but nobody abords the real issue. We are playing their book.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

99.9% navigate the system and grow up perfectly fine, or fine enough. We shouldn't have to completely surrender our anonymity for the tiny percentage that went wrong.

Before the Internet, some people got weird, and in the Internet era, some people are going to go weird. Age verification isn't going to change that.

This isn't about the kids. We all know it.

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That's exactly what they (billionaires) are trying to achieve. Because they're getting scared of us getting organised and doing more than burning down warehouses.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago

Kids don't have unfettered access if they are supervised, lol. And age gating will fail regardless. So it's a failure followed by another failure, sigh.

[-] sircac@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

Indeed, unfettered in a literal sense cannot happen even with the most minimum supervision, but regardless of the threshold in parenting (I am not going to pardon parents responsibility on this, but good luck asserting 100% supervision), circumventions will always take place, so with more reason it cannot be used the "kids safety" argument to bring Orwellian levels to everybody's lifes

[-] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

just out of curiosity, what do you consider minimum supervision to be?

[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Damn, I think my proton vpn is stopping me from commenting on here

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

The positive thing about age checks is the technology that will come out to by pass the system.

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 hours ago

I'm working on ways it right now. Aliexpress wants me to do a face check for some items. I've been a customer long enough to have been born and become a legal adult as a customer!

They don't want my face for verification. It's an excuse to feed their AI, which is already scary good at voice.

[-] blackkn1ght@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 hours ago

Could? Will.

[-] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 13 hours ago

If this becomes widespread, I just won't use any websites that require it. There will always be ways around it or alternatives for people opposed to losing their privacy. There already are at least 2 Internets. There's reddit and Facebook and Twitter and all the corporate news sites, and then there's Lemmy and archive.org and the dark web and dev pages and independent websites and piracy. I find I rarely care about the former anyway. It'll just mean being blocked off from all the corporate slop, which may be a blessing in disguise.

[-] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 3 points 11 hours ago

I am readying myselft for the end of internet since years. I guess we are at the end of the dead internet theory where they have to ID humans to be able to differentiate them from bots and be able yo target them more specifically.

[-] treesquid@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago

"Could" is a funny way of saying "are obviously intended to". Stop playing around, call it out directly. Points where you must have your ID checked are, in fact, ID checkpoints.

[-] TheUniverseandNetworks@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Surely it's the death of anonymity for those who want to access stuff which would be age restricted in any other scenario (like a real shop). The rest of the population (most?) don't care to access that stuff & don't want it and can carry on being anonymous.

And yes that gives the likes of Facebook et al a problem because they'll have to categorise their content, but the whole point of this current fad for governments to legislate to restrict stuff is that the big tech companies could have (made efforts to) fix it but chose not to because it's (waves hands and wails) hard.

[-] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 18 points 18 hours ago

How long before we get a Meshtastic style, decentralized internet?

[-] pixelapoc@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago

While Meshtastic is great, I believe Reticulum has a more suitable approach for this: https://reticulum.network/

[-] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago

What can I, as a regular guy, do to help make this happen?

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

Maybe Kaczynski had a point by running off to the woods and living in a cabin.

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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago

Man, parents not wanting anything to do with their kids' upbringing will believe anything, huh. They'd rather offload any and all responsibilities to automation than spend one minute teaching kids how to protect themselves.

Then again, they probably don't know, either.

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[-] ReCursing@feddit.uk 110 points 1 day ago

He has a vested interest in saying that, but he's right, and it would be awful

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[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Anyone think that's not the point?

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

"Age Verification" is just them attaching "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" to their push to have every single bit of information about every person on the planet.

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[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 day ago

Make social media unprofitable instead of this.

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[-] AverageEarthling@feddit.online 55 points 1 day ago

I mean, I've got boxes full of physical books and self hosted movies and Tv. At that point, I'll just stop using the internet. I need to go outside more anyway.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 7 hours ago

My mother in law got me essentially the bible of DIY gardens for the Flemish region. I learned that there are differences just in tool styles an hour drive away from eachother already.

I could read that for a years and still learn things!

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

Harder to organize protests though. Like if they implement a new renter’s/homeowner tax, or sales tax, or whatever, that means we’d have to sell our books to make ends meet. And then make “digitally inciting” protests illegal too maybe so you don’t feel comfortable even discussing it on your devices. (Not that our opsec today is sufficient, wager it’s not for like 95+% of us, but this feels yet worse)

Scary stuff

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Clearly this man is a genius.

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Theres a big wide internet beyond apps and social media.

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