building another collider is very silly imo. super cern would make sense if the ship hadn't so thoroughly sailed on supersymmetry, but it sort of has, so it's hard to see why such an undertaking would be worthwhile. The LHC has done a lot for less fundamental physics, but in terms of the Higgs, that's kind of the only huge thing that the LHC has discovered. and the higgs is important, but not nearly as important as people make it out to be. the higgs field gives rise to the bare masses of particles, but most of the mass in the universe is actually held in the binding energy of quarks and gluons.
I worked on some SUSY models last decade and the LHC limits were a pretty big blow to everyone's motivation, mine included. Maybe we find something at the next energy frontier, but there's not a compelling reason to go there yet. One could say that it would be good to measure Higgs parameters, but we could also do that with an electron collider at the Higgs resonance for likely a lower cost. It's a mess
who need they SUSSY ate
omg me
and the higgs is important, but not nearly as important as people make it out to be
well and exiting science brain for a second there's the like human question of the cognitive dissonance of burning so much surplus on investigating mass generation models while so many people are hungry or unhoused or suffering from lack of access to basic medicines or clean water 😵💫
no i completely agree, i just didn't want to kill the vibe. that's the real main issue with building a big new collider. shit's insanely, obscenely, mindbogglingly expensive. even just in terms of similar science, the cost to science ratio is absolute dogshit. even if it were worthwhile to continue spending large large amounts of money on fundamental physics research, colliders are objectively not a promising path to explore right now.
Maybe this time we can cross into a worldline that doesn't suck
We'll end up in a worldline without IBM
While the money could certainly do more good elsewhere, this also doesn't seem to be harming anyone. Critical support from me. Like when the US got really into the space race, I can for sure think of better things to spend that money on, but if it is going to be spent putting an American flag somewhere I will just take the win when it turns out that somewhere is the moon.
Like when the US got really into the space race
rockets are the same technology as missiles the space race was a show of nuclear force
Sure, but landing on the moon requires more than rocketry. The US did actually devote reources to space technology with no military applications, and that's... fine. Didn't really help anyone, but also no one is dead from it.
Wouldn't it be easier to collide more massive particles at some point, instead of building such a huge collider?
They already collide calcium i believe to get quark plasma. They need to collide electons with positrons for interesting stuff tbh, this is likely shenigans.
The issue is quarks produce tons of garbage, bigger nuclei produce more tons of garbage, but when you get a pile of it you can call it a new state of matter
Every time you complain we make it 5% bigger
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