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[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

For most people life sucks and then you die.

Anyone can find happiness with their lot in life, no one truly understands why some of the worst experiences lewd to positive outcomes, but the typical result is misery.

As you age you have more experiences to compare reality to. Many of those experiences wouldn't be a recognizable experience to the other people that shared that time and space. We create our own reality in our minds that usually is shared in a comprehensive enough way to recognize and agree with, but each person's experience and interpretation of that shared experience is their own.

Whether crows are wonderful exciting and creature to behold, or dive bombing poop monsters waiting to target you is your own mind interpreting what you see.

These experiences shape how you look at the world and you repeat many of them in some ways reinforcing the held interpretation of it

Its a very easy to find pattern in historical records that older people(generationally) see the new world that has been shaped by younger people is harder to understand. And while some people do find this exciting and energizing, most people will find it a burden or a corruption of what they understand.

Things change. Viva mutator, non tolitur.(I don't know if this is a real quote but I always remember it from some fiction book I read that explained this translated "latin" phrase as life is changed, not ended)

How you can enjoy your life while living through some of the worst experiences or on going conditions is beyond my understanding, but you won't stop finding people that are amazingly happy in spite of this. Maybe a very small amount but you won't ever stop finding more if you put enough time in.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

the older you get, the more health problems you have, and let me tell you, health problems can make you involuntarily unhappy.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've become progressively more apathetic as I've aged. The highs aren't as high, but the lows aren't as low either.

[-] Papanca@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

The older i got, the happier i became. Despite physical aches and decline. Mentally, i'm much stronger now. And i don't care should people not really like me, or have whatever opinions about me. Also, being kind to others makes you happier.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago

Very much no, it's easier to be happy when you're older if you do the work to be happy in general. Being happy and naive to your surroundings isn't the same as being aware of your situation and confident in yourself.

[-] dasrael@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 hours ago

Reality. It adds up.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

There are many people who never find a moment of peace in their lives and may become more vocal as they age. For most people, in my observation, there comes a point where they move past their easier life and live with a sense of peace or accomplishment.

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

No, for most people there is a low point in their midlife somewhere, then progressively happier once past that.

I've never been as unhappy as an adult, as I was when a child. My least happy adult time was my 30s, and from there it's been all upward. I'm sure once I am old old there will be health shit to worry about, but for now it's easier to be happy than it was before, and I have seen research showing that is typical.

[-] Smoogs@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

if you're from a loving, supportive family: Yes for a time you can get unhappy as you age. You get more and more responsibilities. And by Responsibilities I mean you are expected to do things without praise. Like taking care of yourself and then a family. No one claps for you getting groceries or taking out the garbage. (Though if your in an abusing family this is very different : you can get happier as you get closer to the age to escape)

Then, once you adapt to this and you become self reliant for approval, it gets easier. You get happier in more self sustaining ways in which you get hobbies. Embrace the freedom of choices.

Then one day responsibilities get lighter. Like maybe someone who's been very reliant on you develops their own independence and leaves.

And then you're even more happier than ever. Happy for them. You helped get them there and grow. Also happy for yourself as you get more free time to do stuff for you.

Like imagine being that person you wanted to grow up to be as child with no parents or other responsibilities to stop you from doing things you wanted to do. And the best thing: you have the confidence and life story to know you're entirely capable now.

That's if you're doing this self development thing right.

I've known ppl who don't ever develop personal acceptance and end up in earlier life cycles of constant dependencies on others around them and bouncing back into depression. constantly reliving a specific age: like remarriage / recapture a prom night experience / doing something just to get dad approval like that's the happiest they ever could be. And it always includes seeking approval. Someone else has to be a centric piece to their happiness. Someone else always has to act a part.

Tldr: Look after your mental health. Roll the hard six. Sometimes discomfort is growth. If this is something you can't live with: talk to a professional to help you get there cuz this is part of being human and your brain will trick you into doing some meaningless, wasteful shit if you don't trick it first.

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Cult upbringing aside, I had a good and loving family. They were genuinely doing the best with what they knew. I'll never fault them for that.

All my real damage came from being an adult, in a world that was radically more dangerous and difficult than my sheltered upbringing prepared me for. And that damage is cumulative. We just gather more of it as we survive more shit through the decades.

[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

This is a difficult question to answer in a generic sense because right now there are a lot of external factors that are progressively making people unhappier and it’s not really to do with age.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 9 hours ago

My unhappiness peaked in highschool. Although current events have me closer to that level than I've been in a long time. Having friends that don't suck now helps a lot.

[-] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 hours ago

I'm in my 70's. I feel I've been getting happier over time. Kids grow up and leave, Work becomes stable. Finances become more stable. When you retire, it's like a whole new life (as long as you plan it correctly).

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I'm in my late 40s now, and I've been getting happier as I get older.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago

Definitely more emotionally resilient, subjectively able to access happiness easier, though not sure how hopeful I am compared to when I was young er...

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 5 points 10 hours ago

It's less about age and more about our ability to take care of our responsibilities. As children, we have few, and taking care of them takes little time and is easy. As we grow we get more and more, and if our abilities don't grow in tandem we become stressed and unhappy. It's easy to find yourself in a situation as a young adult where you have lots of responsibilities and not enough time, money, and training to discharge all of them. Similarly in middle age if you haven't kept upskilling and you find yourself outclassed professionally by younger professionals.

Some ways to fight this are by keeping your lifestyle simple and inexpensive; by constantly seeking to improve; by being parsimonious with your social commitments; and by building a network of mutually supportive friends and colleagues who can help you during sudden spikes of need or sudden dropoffs in ability, such as unexpected illness.

[-] Baggie@lemmy.zip 13 points 13 hours ago

I would say it depends on your ability to live your life in a way that makes you happy. It's a kind of nothing answer, but human experience largely boils down to ability to self determine internally and externally.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 51 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Here you go, OP (full-access preprint here). There's no need to get anecdotal about this; it's a very well-studied question in psychology, sociology, and economics. The U-shape has extensive evidence supporting it. If "have you gotten progressively less happy as you age?" were the prompt here, I wouldn't be doing this, but you asked a general question that can be and has been answered empirically over and over.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 22 points 17 hours ago
[-] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago

You missed a call

[-] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago
[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

So, it can get better, but rarely if ever does it compare to the blithe joys of youth.

I do wonder if this upturn is related to cognitive decline, and therefore ties into the old "ignorance is bliss" adage, then.

Hell, maybe that has something to do with old folks enjoying reruns: it reminds them of their life, then and now. 🤔😅

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

They’ve also often got lower stress levels, higher wealth and/or more time than people in their thirties to fifties do. I’d be really interested if they’re also happier than their middle aged counterparts in countries where the elderly are disconnected from their communities and not financially supported.

Edit: it’s true around the world, but I’m not sure if it’s true in every country or just generally yet

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 14 hours ago

And, when younger, expenses were less likely to be their responsibility, ergo "more wealth", et al, in youth as well. 🤓

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[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

You either die young or live long enough for everyone you care and love about to pass away.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

Unless you're the last human alive (and don't car about animals), this shouldn't happen.

Even as you get older, you should care about other people. Arguably, you should care about people you don't even know too!

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

You will get it if you live as long as I have. It is bittersweet as you got to experience their love and then lose them. The number of people you lose invariably grows exponentially the older you are.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 19 points 15 hours ago

My heart says no but the micro plastic in my brain says yes.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

I'm getting progressively more happy I think

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 15 hours ago

People born in the late 90s onward sure do, we get to see every expected milestone dissapear under a pile of enshitification and vanishing wages/opportunities as people who increasingly seem like disney villains do their best to make everything even worse.

[-] OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

I feel you. I'm a child of the early eighties and my adult experiences have made me jaded as hell with debilitating trust issues. I've just about given up on anything improving.

[-] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago

There are peaks and valleys. I've been happier, but I've been more miserable.

[-] EverXIII@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago

Im my case was the opposite; the farthest I get from my abusive and narcissists parents the happier I get...

[-] 1D10@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago

I'm 55 and can honestly say I am more happy today then I have ever been in the past, not because of money or lots of friends but because I have learned a lot about myself in the last 10 years.

[-] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

Curmudgeon in training, I fear...

[-] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 2 points 12 hours ago

Not necessarily. I've been getting happier and happier over time, even despite the world getting shittier. Of course there still are problems, but I'm fairly sure i can fix those over time as well.

Though that might be more from that my childhood wasn't that great, not the worst physical abuse either, but not a normal one either with a dash of psychological and emotional abuse and minimal support, only what's required by the law.

So getting older, getting nore comfortable within my body and figuring myself out, stuff which usually is done in childhood and teenage years in a safe and supportive environment, has been helpful in making life more comfortable and having more control over my own life, which ultimately allowes me to make life more comfortable for myself and become happier.

[-] one_old_coder@piefed.social 11 points 18 hours ago

Nope, it's personal and specific to how you lived your life.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No, there is a well-studied and objective answer to this general question. Even though people will vary, there's a crystal-clear trend that's been studied over and over again as a perennial question in psychology, sociology, and economics. We don't have to base any of this on vibes, and arguably a question with a definitive answer like this doesn't belong here.

A large empirical literature has debated the existence of a U-shaped happiness-age curve. This paper re-examines the relationship between various measures of well-being and age in 145 countries, including 109 developing countries, controlling for education and marital and labor force status, among others, on samples of individuals under the age of 70. The U-shape of the curve is forcefully confirmed, with an age minimum, or nadir, in midlife around age 50 in separate analyses for developing and advanced countries as well as for the continent of Africa. The happiness curve seems to be everywhere. While panel data are largely unavailable for this issue, and the findings using such data largely confirm the cross-section results, the paper discusses insights on why cohort effects do not drive the findings. I find the age of the minima has risen over time in Europe and the USA.

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[-] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 9 points 18 hours ago

Developmental psychology (Erik Erickson's theory) teaches us that adults tend to go one of two ways as they approach and hit mid-life - generativity and stagnation. People who have a purpose, who are considering leaving some sort of mark or legacy, to contributing to society tend to fare better. They are happier and more satisfied as time goes on. Folks who become self-absorbed and preoccupied with their own comfort and convenience will then stagnate, which you can imagine is the cranky old person stereotype.

I do subscribe to this theory which is why at 43 I am running a non-profit I started, working to empower other leaders in my community, working on changing legislation for my community, working on building the community itself. I want to be the kind of person who is generous and kind and open-hearted, and be fulfilled. I don't want to be the person who is counting the ways life did them wrong, using that as a justification to lick wounds and retreat from life, jaded and alone.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago

Must be nice not having to worry so much over paying fundamental living expenses, much less the looming risk of bankruptcy or worse from a random medical emergency, etc. 😅🤌🏼

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Folks who become self-absorbed and preoccupied with their own comfort and convenience

the person who is counting the ways life did them wrong, using that as a justification to lick wounds and retreat from life, jaded and alone.

You’re a poet.

But yeah, I’ve met plenty of people exactly like this. Honestly it’s just so unpleasant to be around, I would think everyone would be filled with the fear of ending up that way

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[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I don't even know what happiness is at this point. I am, however, at peace.

[-] tensorpudding@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

There isn't a universal answer, I expect it depends a lot on your worldview and whether you got past your hangups earlier in life, and what your health, regrets and living situation are. I have anecdotal evidence both ways.

[-] 474D@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Depends on how you look at it. As you age and go through experiences, things won't quite affect you to the same extremes as they did when you were younger. I suppose because you lose those high points, it could be seen as sadder. But you also don't deal with the lows as terribly, and that's a blessing. It's also much more peaceful. To me, it's just different.

[-] MantisToboggon@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Why they less happy? Closer to death yay!

[-] Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I think age is one of a bunch of factors. I don't think it's directly related though. I'd argue you actually get happier assuming youve been making moves to improve your life/position while aging. Not having done so could be a double wammy though. Then shit is not improving and you blame yourself (potentially rightfully) for that. Maybe in the 80+ category but it should for the most part just mostly improve or plateau from idk like 25-30 up.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

I've reached the idgaf phase where most things I was worried about when younger are just irrelevant. As for being happier, my life is better, but my mental health has declined. I don't think that is necessarily age-related. Or maybe I just don't have the energy to cope with it anymore.

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I don't think so. I've read the opposite and IME you learn not to sweat the small stuff. That helps a lot.

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