"we dont care about democracy. watch us circumvent it in every conceivable way possible" - ohio gop
just paraphrasing the article
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"we dont care about democracy. watch us circumvent it in every conceivable way possible" - ohio gop
Or Missouri.
They want Big Government off everyone's back, that is, unless they're the ones running it.
Well, if they can get just enough of the Blahs (and maybe a few libz) into prison on nonsense things like a "drug war", then they can be sure to strip them of their vote, forever.
Freedom!
Coupled with draconian abortion laws, their end game is apparently fewer black voters and more white babies.
Or maybe fewer female voters too
” we don’t care about democracy. watch is circumvent it in every conceivable way possible” - ohio gop
That should be the “entire gop” not just Ohio
You’re going to put TL;DRBot out of business…..
Gdism
Dear Ohioans,
If you voted to support abortion, and you're a Republican, then look at this and recognize that you're supporting a political party that does not enact the wills of the people.
Love,
A Lemming
And to others, I know, this won't reach them, but that's on them.
Good thinking Ohio, voting on the weed bill the same day as the abortion bill! They're too distracted by fetuses to bother with the stoners!
I thought the GOP already came out and said they will put strict limits on the strength and availability of any THC product.
GOP: It might be legal, but you’re gonna pay through the nose for it, it’s going to be comparatively weak, so you have to buy a lot, but we’ll put a limit to the amount that can be purchased at any one time so you can’t even get therapeutic doses.
They probably have businesses across state lines they've invested in, and want to keep traffic funnelling out of state.
It's like they're straight up saying fuck off to local businesses, and telling people to drive to Michigan.
So am I reading that right that the GOP wants to remove the checks and balances of the courts? Is this not a core tenant of our democracy?
They've been bemoaning the fact we have Democracy lately. They're playing up the Republic angle, and believe the People can't make the correct decisions for themselves.
and believe the People can't make the correct decisions for themselves.
Have you seen their supporters? They're right.
They have been doing the "well, actually" thing for quite a while on the democracy aspect, but they have turned it up lately, that's for sure.
Without yet another amendment, how exactly does the Assembly, the legislative branch of Ohio’s government, intend to strip jurisdiction from the Ohio Supreme Court, the judicial branch of Ohio’s government?
The State’s Constitution establishes the jurisdiction for the high court and separation of powers prevent tampering.
They can't and won't. This is posturing, noise, and whining.
And so it would be good to make note of each one of these posturing noise making whiners, and vote them out ASAP.
You assume the people that voted them in want them voted out...
ah, thanks! I hadn't noticed my typo. You assume as well, I was urging those that voted for Issue 1. tata
Ah, so Republicans' only tactic for "governing"
“The People have spoken” Republicans: “Fuck the People"
Just don’t impregnate them
...and if you do, the wimmenz will be forced to bring to term their little miracles.
They are eArThEn VeSsElS after all
Republicans hate democracy. The GOP is anti-American.
Weird, courts are going to be implementing - or not - the actual procedure? I say doctors should just give a middle finger to these GOP "lawmakers".
But this is classic Republican horse manure. Will of the people? Fuck that. Must be "foreign election interference". Remember how they kept gaslighting over the "Russian hoax", even if Mueller's unredacted report does not claim it to be a hoax? Then, baby hands loses in 2020 and it must be Chavez' election machines rigging the election...projection, always projection.
Alex Jones was claiming (without any evidence, like he always does) that because Kentucky re-elected our Democratic governor, that it proves there was election fraud. Like, hey you fucking dumbass, why would someone interfere to elect a Democrat as a governor and let every single other statewide office go to a Republican?
The GOP has completely lost the plot. Get ready for them to claim every election they lose as "stolen" or "rigged" for the rest of your life. Or (hopefully) the rest of their existence.
Two things:
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Absolutely double down on this loser position, please, until you're voted the fuck out.
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Good luck. While I haven't combed through the Ohio constitution, I hope the legislative branch can't just remove the judicial, whole or piecemeal. Checks and balances and all that. But if you pull it off at least we can stop pretending this is a functional democracy of any kind, and all we have to sacrifice is Ohio. Maybe it'll wake up a few people who still think there's a middle ground to be found with the GOP.
As an Ohioan, they will not be voted out. The state legislature has gerrymandered both houses to ensure a clear majority. This is why they throw tantrums like this. Their only worry is being primaried from the right. This is despite a constitutional amendment that was supposed to eliminate gerrymandering, but was really engineered by senate president Matt Huffman to be able to be ignored.
Ohio’s best bet is a new anti-gerrymandering amendment likely to be before voters that will completely remove politicians from the process.
Ohio’s best bet is a new anti-gerrymandering amendment likely to be before voters that will completely remove politicians from the process.
I know this was recently cleared to start collecting signatures. Do you know where that's being coordinated or where I might be able to find places I can sign?
I'm proud to say I signed the issue 1 petition and voted for it. Would like to keep the momentum going and do the same with the redistricting proposal.
I don’t know, but I’m sure there will be information soon.
Came here to say #1. It's a loser position, so keep pushing it and see how well that works out in next year's election.
There's also a possibility of a federal lawsuit under the Guarantee clause
The problem is people will still do nothing about it so long as it doesn’t directly affect them.
Politicians have been insanely successful at making people not give a damn about others for a long time now. Unless the Federal democracy is attacked, I doubt people will do much elsewhere.
so long as it doesn't directly affect them
It's kind of insane how we're at the point where this would affect about 50.7% of the population or more, yet rhetoric towards oppressing this group is popular and competitive in the political sphere. What collective delusion do people need to have to think that "oh, If I, or my wife or my friends ever need an abortion, they'll treat it as a special circumstance/exception"???
Because there is no collective social/class consciousness in America. It’s all zero-sum, win at all costs, second place is first loser. You can’t afford to care about the stranger but the idea of safety nets and socialist public policies is demonized constantly as either weakness or deliberate theft.
Everyone here would rather risk hurting themselves than helping someone else at their own expense.
Several Ohio Republican lawmakers are proposing to strip courts of the authority to review cases related to implementing the newly passed Issue 1 abortion amendment.
In a statement released Thursday, four GOP lawmakers claimed without evidence that there was “foreign election interference” in the vote to pass Issue 1, and threatened to block the ability of courts to interpret the new constitutional amendment.
“To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative,” the lawmakers said. “The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides.”
Issue 1 passed Tuesday with 57 percent of the vote. It creates a constitutional right to reproductive freedom in the state, which protects decisions on contraception, fertility treatment, continuing a pregnancy, miscarriage care and abortion up to the point of fetal viability.
It allows the state to prohibit abortion after fetal viability, which is generally between 22 and 24 weeks into pregnancy, except when necessary to protect the life or health of the mother.
But Republicans in the General Assembly have vowed to fight the measure.
“Issue 1 doesn’t repeal a single Ohio law, in fact, it doesn’t even mention one,” state Rep. Bill Dean said in Thursday’s statement. “The amendment’s language is dangerously vague and unconstrained, and can be weaponized to attack parental rights or defend rapists, pedophiles, and human traffickers.”
Ohio’s six-week abortion ban that was signed into law by Gov. Mike DeWine (R) in 2019 contains no exceptions for rape or incest. It is currently tied up in court but could have taken effect if Issue 1 failed.
In a separate statement, Senate President Matt Huffman (R) said the measure’s passage was “just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1.”
Issue 1 will take effect in December, but it won’t be implemented until courts apply the new constitutional standard to abortion-related lawsuits, most notably the one challenging the current ban.
The Republican-majority Ohio Supreme Court is the ultimate authority in reviewing laws to determine if they align with the state constitution.
“It is very important that we see the new constitution be upheld,” said Lauren Blauvelt, co-chair of Ohioans United for Reproductive Rights. “So all of us who have been continuing to fight litigation … will continue to work together to ensure that the restrictions and bans that are currently in place are no longer in place.”
On the other side, Ohio House Democrats announced Thursday a law to repeal various existing laws that directly or indirectly restrict abortion care in Ohio. But Republicans hold strong majorities in both chambers of the General Assembly, so passage is an uphill fight.
On a side note these signs should not be legally allowed to have slogans and shit. It obfuscates the props.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Several Ohio Republican lawmakers are proposing to strip courts of the authority to review cases related to implementing the newly passed Issue 1 abortion amendment.
In a statement released Thursday, four GOP lawmakers claimed without evidence that there was “foreign election interference” in the vote to pass Issue 1, and threatened to block the ability of courts to interpret the new constitutional amendment.
It creates a constitutional right to reproductive freedom in the state, which protects decisions on contraception, fertility treatment, continuing a pregnancy, miscarriage care and abortion up to the point of fetal viability.
“The amendment’s language is dangerously vague and unconstrained, and can be weaponized to attack parental rights or defend rapists, pedophiles, and human traffickers.”
In a separate statement, Senate President Matt Huffman (R) said the measure’s passage was “just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1.”
Issue 1 will take effect in December, but it won’t be implemented until courts apply the new constitutional standard to abortion-related lawsuits, most notably the one challenging the current ban.
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