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[–] 96 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This seems like a great argument to just never use the under-regulated betting markets.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I don't like gambling. I worry about regulation driving it underground, though. I'd rather just see winnings taxed heavily, immediately and without exception or deduction. Invest it in social safety nets and it's effectively forcing the winners to share their loot with the most vulnerable of the people they're victimizing.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    That doesn't really address people betting on horrible things and then making them happen.

    Also "it will just go underground" is still kind of a win? The average person isn't going to navigate sketchy underground arrangements, but they'll find a slick website with good SEO.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Gambling, like a lot of other things, is a high dopamine reward behavior which can be fun recreationally but also lead to serious addictions. Prohibition-only approaches to things like this tend to just lead to it becoming a widespread source of funds for organized crime, and so I tend to favor a public health perspective which involves legalization with heavy regulation and taxation + behavioral health support as a part of a robust safety net.

    That having been said, this to me is a strong indication that there are some things it should not be legal to bet on.

    But also I'm also pretty sure that this is illegal under the Commodities Exchange Act already? So this feels like either a loophole in emphatic need of closing, or, more likely, the law just no longer fucking mattering under this administration because too many of the enforcers are corrupt.

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    [–] 82 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Polymarket needs some serious eradication.

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  • [–] 56 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Wait.. why the fuck is there a betting site where you can bet on wars starting. What in the immoral fuck is that even about?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Boiling frogs.

    1. Farmers want a way to sell their crops before harvest time to guarantee a certain price, so they're protected by unpredictable swings in price. A market is set up for commodity futures, so a speculator can take that deal, and maybe make a lot of money if the price she sets with the farmer is well below the actual market value. This is seen as a good thing because the farmer gets to reduce their risk, while someone else gets the opportunity to make money by taking that risk on the farmer's behalf.
    2. This system expands like a cancer, so professional investors are soon buying derivatives on all kinds of things. Sometimes this is arguably good for the world, but many times it's just complex gambling, and it results in the housing-based financial collapse of 2007-08. Hedge funds and investment bankers manage to convince the regulators to let them keep the system as is, despite the crash.
    3. Wall street pushes to allow random people with no financial power, no training, no knowledge to also be able to get involved with derivatives, because having idiots on the other side of their bets is great for their bottom lines. It's much easier to make money from some random person using an app than it is to make money off another professional investor.
    4. Some clever person manages to reskin a gambling app as if it were an investment app, and allows people to "buy derivatives contracts" on just about anything. Nobody honestly believes that this is anything other than gambling. But, the regulators are all compromised and toothless, so now you can gamble on any of the 4 horsemen: war, famine, death or disease.
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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I mean I actually like derivatives for hedging. I used to get 6 year contracts for electricity prices for my business. They saved my ass during covid/ Russia war. Prices climbed so fucking high that power contract became a financial asset. I like the fact that I can insure my stock portfolio with put contracts, I like that I can generate some income selling call contracts, and yes sometimes I even do short term speculation with options. If it's good enough for Nancy Pelosi, it's good enough for me! that being said it has gone way to far and there should be way more regulations and oversight because it is just a big casino and robin hood would let a child buy calls if it could access the phone.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You can bet on anything, man. It's like Money Plane but with words writing.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    My innocent european ass has never heard of money plane or polymarket before.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's been a thing in UK for decades. Big with morons.

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    [–] 34 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    Just ban it, gambling used to be illegal in a lot of places.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Please ban all online betting and only make it legal at places where you have to actually go there in person to do. Impulse gambling on smartphones and prediction markets are straight cancer to society.

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    [–] 31 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I refuse to participate in Biff Tannen's world! I know I'm likely to be the minority, but I'm a stubborn SOAB!

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There's always someone on the other side of these bets. How is it that people keep betting on things like this when they know that insiders like this are the ones they're sometimes betting against?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago*

    The purpose is to give incentive to knowledgeable parties to let us know up front. In a corrupt government status like the current one we should be happy that we can get few hours heads up before the bombs start falling.

    They are not going to warn you for free...

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I saw Coinbase was allowing buying/selling stocks 24/7

    Commercialism has overtaken the internet. We're in full corruption mode now. Without enforcing rules and regulations, this is where society ends up.

    How do we make non-religious churches for decent people? Can we start that movement and move up from there?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Bhuddism and Zen Bhuddism are not religions, they are philosophies, a different way of viewing the world. They don't require a church, a congregation or for you to believe anything. One reaches an understanding of cosmic unity by exploring the boundries of self. In fact, one of the first hurdles is accepting that you know very little which in turn births humble curiosity about the nature of existence. This movement has been growing for a while, might be time to look into it. Personally I found the best way to cut through the non essential periphery and get to the core of the ideas was through listening to Alan Watts.

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    [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    Just Polymarket? This has been shitshow after shitshow of which Polymarket is just the latest. Under the current administration, there will be no regulation, Trump Jr himself is literally an investor and advisor to it.

    It basically takes what they were doing with social networks and adds a profit incentive to it.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Never trust a coke head with a corporate comb over

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    And kalshi and he’s starting his own.

    https://lemmy.world/comment/22209710

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Damn the price of cocaine is about to skyrocket.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Come on, why did you use an AI tool to make his nose look like this.

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  • Gambling is haram for a reason. 🤷

    (And yeah, I know much of it happens in or goes through some Gulf institutions, don't worry I hate those hypocrites also).

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    So, monitor Polymarket for massive bets on things the US government could do, and copy those bets.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Ant sources on this? I already believe you, because it's a trump, but I'd like to see the evidence so we have something more to slap into magat faces

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