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I recently posted a thread about an old movie from the 1950s (12 Angry Men), and provided spoiler warnings. More than one person replied jokingly that they were grateful for the spoiler warning for a 70-year-old movie. I've heard the same comment in one form or another many times over the years, and I really don't get it.

What's the expectation here? That we're all LLMs who've been trained on every movie released prior to 2010? It would be literally impossible to watch every film - even excluding obscure or foreign films - that humankind has produced since the beginning of cinema. I'm a huge movie fan who watches 2 or 3 new (to me) movies a week from pretty much every era, but I had only watched this very famous movie from the '50s in the last year, because I'm not a magic space baby with a brain containing all of the film scripts in history. The more films that are made every year, the less they will be watched by future generations, because time is a straight line and we haven't figured out how to pause the fucker yet so we can all catch up on 100 years of film.

I'm grateful that this old movie hadn't been spoiled for me, because I wasn't even an itch in my father's nutsack, nor he in his, when the film was first released. But the jokes in that thread would seem to imply that I would have had no right to be annoyed if the film had been spoiled for me, because... what? I should have had the good sense to be born during the depression instead of the '80s? I should have a working knowledge of every story every told prior to my birth? The fact that this very famous and very old film hadn't been spoiled for me shows that even very famous and very old movies don't automatically weave themselves into the fabric of your reality by the mere force of time itself. I had no clue what the movie was about beyond the very basic premise, because even spoilers for old movies are hard to come by when there're so many movies in existence. The jokes would only make sense if the opposite were the case.

If you care about spoiling films for other people, then there is really no time frame for a film's release that makes it 'fair game'. People have varied and unpredictable lives when it comes to the media they've consumed, and more often than not they're busy watching the current output of Hollywood rather than watching their grandparents' favourite films featuring actors who are all long dead, and before colour image was even technologically possible. The noble spoiler warning should be eternal.

And all of the above also applies to novels, plays, TV shows, video games, and anything else where spoilers might ruin one's first taste of it. Spoiler warnings are free, but they can conjure great cultural value seemingly out of thin air for those who are protected by them.

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No matter what you do, someone is always going to complain

Putting spoiler tags is always the right thing to do, even when it might seem unnecessary

[-] jasoman@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

You should have used spoiler tagged i could have learned that myself.

Haha god damn it

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

First, avoiding spoilers often means not discussing what are arguably the most interesting parts of the movie.

Second, asking the entire world to not talk about something just so you personally don't hear something about a movie you may, not even necessarily will, watch, is wildly selfish.

Third, spoilers don't matter. Movies are about so much more than a twist. Cinematography, acting, story, direction, etc. are so much more important. We as humans rewatch plenty of movies when we already know the story or twist and happily enjoy them anyway.

If you care about discussing films with other people, then there is really no time frame for a films release that makes it fair to prevent talking about it.

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 24 points 3 days ago

People get way too upset about spoilers is my unpopular opinion.

[-] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

You're entitled to your opinion. I can't stand spoilers. My SOs are entire family are horrible walking spoiler machines. It's very frustrating, I do not discuss anything I have my already consumed with them

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

I remember I spoiled Jurassic Park 1995 for a coworker who wandered into our conversation. They spent a minute doing performative stressing over how they now have the experience ruined.

I asked when they were planning on watching it.

Some day, they said.

Oh fuck off.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

It’s been ages since I watched Jurassic park but what could the spoiler possibly be? The dinosaurs escape? They have a predictable happy ending and get out okay? It’s a good movie but it’s not really a “plot twist” kind of movie

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I'm convinced that the whole concept of spoilers is driven mkre by modern marketing agencies than genuine original feelings.

"You NEED to hurry up and see the latest movie, in theaters, or else your coworkers will spoil it for you!"

"You NEED to buy and play this $80 bug-filled game as soon as it launches or else you might stumble across a comment on the internet that SPOILs IT!!!"

"You NEED to watch the SuperBowl or whatever else on live TV (and coincidentally sit through all of the advertisements) or else someone will SpOiL it for you!!!"

Great stories can stand up to being told over and over again. In fact, they're usually BETTER on subsequent experiences because you can pick up on little hints of foreshadowing. I've never heard anyone say "I've only read Lord of the Rings once because it's boring once you know how it ends".

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

For me, I don't want spoilers because I want to enjoy the first time watching a movie as the first time to experience it, like the director intended. I want to know enough to judge whether I'd be interested in it, but don't mention a twist or something major happening in the plot. I'd rather be lost in the story and surprised at the twist or whatever the story may bring.

[-] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

That's exactly it for me. The moment I discover I might want to watch something, I immediately avoid anything related to it. Stupidly, I probably only watch ~20-40% of those 😅

But yeah. I don't want the marketing firm's take, I don't want to know what the Internet or friends think, none of that. That's fun after. I exclusively want to experience what the artists involved intended to deliver. What kind of jackass interrupts that?!

Previews and everything else are a bane on dope art.

[-] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This just ignores that being concerned about spoilers has existed for longer than modern marketing strategies. People have been concerned about having their first-time experience with a piece of media spoiled since at least the 50s. The end credits to Henri-Georges Clouzot's 1955 film Les Diaboliques includes a card with an early anti-spoiler message from the director. Similarly, Alfred Hitchcock asked audiences not to reveal the ending of his 1960 thriller Psycho, saying "Please don't give away the ending, it's the only one we have." The term "spoilers" itself in that context has been around since the 70s.

People still cared about having the story of certain story-rich games spoiled way before games were able to be patched after the fact and it became normal to ship out a buggy, unfinished mess.

It's simply that some people care about having an untarnished first experience and feeling that wow moment of a plot twist being revealed in the way it was intended. That's all there is to it. It isn't some hairbrained conspiracy

And , I'll be the first for you. I've only read Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit once because I find it incredibly boring to re-read a story that I have already read before because I know how the story goes already. I would much rather read something new than go back and re-read something.

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah I agree.

[-] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 5 points 3 days ago

A few of my favorite pieces of media are things I watched because I got the ending or twist spoiled and was like "that's fucking awesome". Would have never picked them up otherwise.

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[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago

If you get mad at me in any context because I accidentally spoiled something for you then thats too upset.

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it greatly depends on the media and what the spoiler is.

If it's a story where the big twist is the thing that makes it so great, or if the depth of the story is greatly amplified when you can get immersed before a big event occurs, then spoilers are purely an asshole thing to give without warning or permission.

Though if it's just Disney slop where the whole damn thing is formulaic and rather predictable anyways, then what ever, spoil away.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Appropriate? Fine. Necessary? Lol no

[-] dragontology@retrofed.com 1 points 1 day ago

Agreed. I somehow got through 40+ years of pop culture and didn’t have Citizen Kane or Murder on the Orient Express spoiled for me. One is a very old movie. The other was a new movie based on a book, but it’s been made into movies before, I think. 

I recently saw a meme that referenced the end (the twist, the final shot) of Citizen Kane. Had I not seen it, I wouldn’t have got the joke, but I wouldn’t have known what I missed. 

So yeah, good with spoiler tags/warnings on old media

[-] Ryoae@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

I only spoil things for myself if I have absolutely no intention of watching said movie. But for movies I care about watching or wanting to watch, then I don't want it spoiled and I avoid nearly any discussion about it.

[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub 19 points 3 days ago

Well if we're out sharing unpopular opinions then here are mine:

  1. Add spoiler warnings if you want, but there should be a statute of limitations and every discussion regarding movie and TV can't consider if everyone present has seen it or if they plan to. Most references are to memes that are so ingrained in culture now anyway. Darth Vader's "no, I am your father" is hardly a spoiler anymore.

  2. People are over concerned about spoilers generally. The surprise element is a very tiny proportion of the value of the art. You could literally tell me the ending of Se7en or Sixth Sense and I will argue that my enjoyment of good art is not affected at all. Everyone doesn't need to be as extreme as me, but the over reliance on the surprise element of art is bordering on absurd now. Even saying "there is a twist" is considered a spoiler.

The Closer Look channel has an excellent video on how spoilers make a movie better (on Nebula currently, will take another week to get onto YouTube)....although he is talking about the intentional use of spoilers by the creator, I think the message carries over to all media.

For #2, I think recent media, in the past year, should be discussed with spoiler notifications. After that people may not see the movie in a reasonable time frame so they may not even see it at all. I've become interested in movies that are a couple years older because I read the story and thought it so good I'd want to see how they do it.

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[-] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

I think it's fine for you to put spoiler warnings on stuff if you want to. I also think it's fine for someone to make a joke about you putting spoiler warnings on a post about a 70 year old movie.

(On a personal note, I don't think you could spoil 12 Angry Men by knowing the outcome. I feel like it's somewhat predictable, but it's the interactions that make it a great film anyway.)

And, if someone has written a post/article about a movie or book or whatever, and I don't want spoilers, I think it's up to me to decide whether or not I should take the risk of reading the post. If I'm reading about something that is already out and there happens to be a spoiler in it, that's on me. Hell, I don't even like watching trailers if I don't want a movie spoiled. They are notorious for showing the ending and best scenes.

As you said, there is no time after a release that is fair game for spoilers - but to me that's on the shoulders of the reader, not the writer, otherwise everything we write about will be a never-ending stream of spoiler warnings.

The only exception, in my opinion, is people who deliberately try to fool people into reading/seeing spoilers, e.g. by putting the spoiler in a post title or as part of something unrelated. Fuck those guys.

[-] sefra1@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

I absolutely agree, specially as someone who rarely watches stuff as they get released.

[-] icerunner_origin@startrek.website 13 points 3 days ago

Totally valid opinion. Has my vote.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

They all end with credits. Come at me.

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Some older movies just end with The End, because all the credits appear at the beginning of the movie while the overture plays.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Jeez! Put a spoiler warning on this comment!

[-] Nangijala@feddit.dk 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You horrid beast.

You're also wrong, because most old movies begin with the credits, nah nah.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Rosebud......Was his sled!

[-] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

I never understood why this is considered a spoiler. I’ve seen the movie twice and never once considered this a mystery anyone really had to solve.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago

Isn't the entire movie about trying to figure out what he meant by Rosebud? I haven't seen it since I was in 4th or 5th grade and I only watched it due to the overwhelming number of times the cartoons I watched growing up referenced it. The fact I don't really remember it just tells me I found it boring 🤣

[-] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

The fact I don’t really remember it just tells me I found it boring.

Shhhh. I think THAT’s the actual spoiler: People are supposed to go into it thinking it’s a great movie.

And then SURPRISE: it’s… ok.

[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago

And it is said in the opening scene of the movie.

[-] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Exactly. It’s like getting mad if someone tells you that in Dicken’s A Christmas Carol, Marley was dead to begin with.

[-] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You don't have to put up spoiler warnings for old films, but it's still thoughtful to do so.

I definitely put up spoilers for old films if I'm telling people to watch something and I think it is improved by the twist. But I also don't think we as a collective society need to avoid openly talking about The Sixth Sense to protect people who haven't seen it.

So I guess you're not in the wrong to spoiler tag, they're not really in the wrong for thinking it's funny to spoiler tag a movie that's older than some of our grandparents. Unless they're actually, legitimately, shitting on you for tagging spoilers, then they can fuck right off

With older films that have gone past the time they're expected to draw in a significant amount of income, spoilers are courtesy not a requirement.

[-] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Pretty much what I was trying to say, succinctly.

[-] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago

Obligatory xkcd.

I'm of the opinion that we can't spoilerblock everything or even most things because we can't know in advance what is in retrospective a spoilerblock-worthy piece of information (Darth Vader was Luke's father? Eeeeehhh... Luke has at least one sibling? Eeeehhhhh... Abel was slain by Cain? Eeeehhhhh...). Plus, it makes conversation much more annoying and hard to follow, like one of those shitty redacted "Trump mention in the Epstein files" reports. Also, Trump is in the Epstein files? Not worth a spoilerblock, no matter how much it ages.

Heck, in a certain way it's even better to not go overboard, when you are able to freely talk about old cinema that was by all accounts better than the cinema that we have now. Might inspire someone to go check.

tl;dr: Some respect is fine, but I won't bend backwards or make conversations more complicated over it, nor do I expect others to do it for me.

we can't know in advance what is in retrospective a spoilerblock-worthy piece of information (Darth Vader was Luke's father? Eeeeehhh...

This one was obviously going to be a spoiler just based on how it was withheld from the cast and crew of the movie. The only 3 people on set during filming who knew about this were Irvin Kershner (the director), George Lucas, and Mark Hamill - obviously James Earl Jones knew, but his lines were recorded separately. David Prowse's line on set was "No, Obi-Wan killed your father" so everyone working on the film assumed it was a completely different spoiler.

[-] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I’m with you. I just posted about the ending of Psycho the other day and put it behind a spoiler tag. Sure, most people who have heard of that movie have also heard about how it ends, but the ones who haven’t should still have the chance to experience it for themselves.

[-] superweeniehutjrs@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Soylent green isn't what you expect it to be

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago

Its dookie

Don’t fuckin’ eat it!

[-] Nangijala@feddit.dk 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The only time I spoil a movie on purpose is when I hate it so much I want to make sure no one gets tricked into watching it.

I would love to spoil Gods of Egypt for that very reason. No one deserves to sit through that pile of non-movie. Problem is that I have no memory of the plot, so it is impossible to spoil. You could probably convince me that anything happened in that film and I would believe you. All I know is that it was so anti-immersive, that I ended up becoming painfully aware of the fact that my friend and I were sitting in her apartment, in front of a black box that makes color and noise for two ours. It is that bad.

Btw, 12 Angry Men is a great movie. I think I had it spoiled for me back in the day, but I still thoroughly enjoyed the movie, because it's not so much about the conclusion, it's the journey through their conversations and arguments that makes the movie so appealing. In fact, I think that most people watching that film will know exactly where it ends up and roughly how it gets there, but the execution is still so fucking good that it doesn't even matter.

Btw, if you're still in the mood for oooooold movies that are great, I would highly recommend Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927) which is a silent film about an unfaithful man who decides to kill his loving wife in order to be with his mistress. What happens after that is, in my opinion, one of the best silent films ever made. Fantastic acting, emotional music and beautiful visuals. You forget that you're watching a silent film where no one is saying a word. You forget that it is in black and white. You forget that you have seen a hundred years og technical improvement in film. You are reminded that actual skill and quality is timeless. It made me cry the first time I saw it. It just fucking wrecked me in a way I didn't expect and it is legit on my favourite movies of all time. It's old enough that you can watch it on youtube or some other video hosting site without issue. If there is any achievement in this world that I would be proud of, it's to know that I helped someone find this move.

[-] illi@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

I would apreciate the use of spoiler tag.

I would also not be annoyed if someone spoiled an older form of media because it is old after all. And if it is well known, there is a reasonable assumption people have watched it (or would watch it if at all interested).

[-] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 2 points 3 days ago

Personally, I think anything more than a couple of decades old is outside of spoiler-warning territory.

I still wouldn't go out of my way to spoil something like that, but I'm also not fretting about whether someone has seen it or not.

Most of the time they will have been aware of its existence, and had more than enough time to see it if they really wanted to.

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