Memes aside, climate conversations get framed in extremes really fast. There’s probably more room for practical solutions than the usual “all or nothing” narratives suggest.
Maybe 80 years ago.
Now we very much have to stop and then think of ways to reach a middle ground between production and saving humanity.
Good catch, they seem to be chasing that January 15th dragon. Doesn't seem like that line has been hitting the same since.
Or they are gauging general response to the tweet over time.
I prefer to be uncharitable to conservative outlets.
"I'm getting low on my Twitter engagement money"
Is this supposed to be an argument against climate action?
It's Prager-U. They argue even against anti-slavery
Leaving this here in case anyone thinks you're joking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO_wmixXBdE
They were so close to getting it
They tell on themselves constantly, but their audience is deaf to it.
It might just be because you can't capitalism your way out of real problems that don't involve making a small number of people absurdly rich at the expense of, well, everything, including the ability of life to exist on this planet.
"End climate change always translates into "end profiteering from environmental destruction" and we have no fucking clue why people don't like that" - Prager u
Here's the thing. "End climate change" is a goal. On the other hand, "capitalism" is not a goal. It is a means.
If you cannot achieve your goals because capitalism, which again is just a means, gets in the way, then it is obvious that you are using the wrong means. Only an insane person would keep doing the same thing that doesn't work.
Have you ever considered how much money it would cost to keep the Earth habitable for human life in the future?!
Funnily enough, it's actually many magnitudes less expensive to act on climate change
Fun fact, the hottest planet in our solarsystem isn't the one closest to the sun mercury. Sure it's hot, but it has no atmosphere to trap that heat. Venus has an atmosphere made up of mainly carbon dioxide which does traps that heat. Guess what we're dumping into out atmosphere at alarming rates.
Fun fact, most of the time, Mercury is the closest planet to Earth, due to its shorter orbit.
I defend that simply doing what is needed to clean up all the shit we have left behind up to now, let alone prevention, energy transition, moving to biodegradable plastics, mass transit, etc, would create immense economic growth. It's essentially the fossil fuels cartel, and their political minions who keep us here.
Maybe if all of the renewable sector pooled together to lobby as hard as the fossils, there could be advances.
Maybe if all of the renewable sector pooled together
We don't need to wait for private companies to collude, though, the socialist policy of the Peoples Republic of China has made it so that 95%ish of solar panels are manufactured in that country, we just need to follow the Chinese example.
This is why I loathe a lot of the arguments against stuff that boil down to "it'd be a lot of work". There are tons of people who need jobs.
I know reality isn't so simple, but it's still frustrating as hell.
If something isn't priced (eg environmental damage, loss of human safety or dignity, the world) then capitalism is blind to it and will sacrifice it to optimize for profit. Genuinely the point of capitalism.
PragerU is awful right so I infer they mean this as a bad thing.
Yeah, they love themselves some horrifically under-regulated capitalism.
Every system can and will get exploited. I am not sure how another economic system will fix this. Assholes will be assholes and if we don't stop them from getting into positions of power this will continue.
Not to say that capitalism isn't a bucket full of shit. But I would argue setting the incentives right, can mitigate damage. The issue is getting this done politically. Which brings us back to assholes (+capitalism) again.
I am not sure how another economic system will fix this.
Other economic systems have assholes, true, but capitalism is uniquely myopic in this respect. A socialist system would take away the polluters' power to hinder change. There's a reason (still capitalist to be fair) China is a world leader in renewable energy, and that's because they don't have rich and powerful lobbies forcing fossil fuels down people's throats.
But I would argue setting the incentives right, can mitigate damage
Until capitalists use their wealth and power to remove those incentives, which leads us back to "end capitalism." This is the fundamental problem with reformism; under capitalism there will naturally be mechanisms for resisting and winding back said reform, making "nicer" versions of it mere interludes interrupting the crushing boot of exploitation and destruction we all know and love.
And the rollback of the incentive adjustments isn't theoretical. Incentives got adjusted around The Great Depression in many western countries like in the US and those changes have been slowly rolled back till the 70s, then much more quickly since then. And at breakneck speed since the dissolution of the Soviet bloc.
I am not sure how another economic system will fix this
You answer yourself shortly afterwards
The issue is getting this done politically
Under socialism, since there are no private owners of companies or oil, there is no incentive for them to lobby the policy in their favour. If you want evidence for this, I could pinpoint you to the People's Republic of China manufacturing some 95% of the world's supply of photovoltaic modules (already the cheapest form of energy available to humanity), spearheading electrification with Ultra-High-Voltage electric transmission lines and battery technology and supply, and leading the current generation of nuclear reactors. In contrast, my capitalist homeland of Spain had a "tax to the sun" during the previous decade that destroyed whatever solar industry we had, because in Spain the fossil fuel lobbyists do have the power to dictate policy, as opposed to China's socialist system.
The world died because we needed even more plastic coffee pods. Capitalism is def the cause.
To the extent you associate that "capitalism" means "rich people and corporations get to do whatever the hell they want with impunity", then yes. Absolutely. If you have a problem with that, I'll tell you where to shove it.
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