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If only we did not give up on social distributed verification instead of an automatic one e_e

tntvillage

It was, hands down, THE place for every Italian media

Yep. Also not a surprise that the wine society from the post is neither from Italy nor France :)

It’s actually “us” in the political tech space that started using techno optimism as derogatory I think. I don’t know why you think that techno-optimism label was ever a good one and then co-opted :o

Cyberpunk was co-opted by the Californian ideology but “techno-optimism” I don’t think so…

I don't see how being critical and optimistic about tech is mutually exclusive

It’s not… But it’s a bit like the word “feminism” that includes much more than women struggles. Techno-optimists it’s not about being positive about some technology.

Not all of them, but to me being tech-positive and understanding technologies can be sustainable is at the core of solarpunk

I agree, hence we say solarpunk and not techno-optimists :P

Longtermism doesn’t mean long term thinking and techno optimism doesn’t mean not being negative about technology my friend

I understand your point but we have to accept that longtermism and technoptimism are the terms we use for what you call extreme. Like racism is not just “talking about race” and so on :)

We have a term to call ourself and it’s solarpunks!

It’s about probability… Like an AI will have the same bias as the data it’s trained on, only talking about data and trends when talking about politics shows us the most probable stuff without taking into account the very good solutions.

Basically what I’m saying is: kurzgesagt it’s not a politics channel but a science one. They take data and read it for us. At most they are being a bit reactionary, but I wouldn’t say techno optimist :/

We want to aim to solarpunk society for sure but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore that it’s slow, hard and the actual trend is different.

BIG P.S. I must say for transparency that I still haven’t watched today’s video

Techno-optimism means thinking that a technological solution will fix our issues. As solarpunks we, for example, are critical of a lot of tech uses and a lot of incentives that do not allow the best tech to emerge just by being “better tech” like a tech optimist would think. Check out Californian ideology stuff.

About longtermism: basically it’s caring less about the suffering of today thinking about working towards better condition for the people of tomorrow. In a stupid simple way: giving 10€ to research for fusion instead of using them to feed a child for one month because people will suffer anyway and the faster we arrive at the fusion the less people will suffer.

That said, I don’t think kurzgesagt is that much tech optimist, it’s just a channel that focuses on harder sciences so it’s easier to focus on “can this technology work” more than “can this policy work”

For the longtermism part, some video ye lol

I’ve tried using simplex but it’s simply (ahah) too slow for groups

I like it privacy wise but I think it’s better for small groups (<10) and 1 on 1 chats

Big chats are kinda a scam anyway, they should be forums lol

Oh no prototype in motion in video?

Then there was also this pdf very cool to keep as solarpunk inspo

https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.183/gkz.aeb.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Magnus-Aerospace_spherical-airship-converted-compressed.pdf

“This content is not available in your location”

Nooooooo let me see the big balloon plsss 😡😡😡😭😭😭😭

I don’t want to silence this discussion because the “worn out bodies” comment is actually useful to be debunked and discussed

But pls read the slrpnk.net rules

There is space to disagree but be more constructive 🤝