Wasn't technology developed to improve humanity's quality of life? Are we being compared with it and determined as inefficient now?

Aren't humans and biological creatures in general found to be extremely efficient with energy? Given the computing power in our brains the fact it runs on so little is amazing no?

Fuck Sam Altman, fucking cunt

People fucking hate AI now, surely talking about humanity as if they are a bunch of livestock will turn that sentiment right around.

Humans should not have to compete for resources hogged by tech.

train a human

This guy has the same level of empathy as Zuck.

Someone on Bluesky pointed out that, even if you ignore the morality of this argument, AI is trained on human content, so if we're going to start examining the human energy cost, we'll have to factor in the cost of every single human whose work was used by ChatGPT on top of the data center costs.

And humans also built the fucking power plants and pay for the energy they use, asshole.

These people fundamentally do not think about human life in a normal way.

His argument is his computer is more important than other people, and he's willing to deprive them of resources to death.

It's like he asked his chatbot to come up with this argument.

The humans still exist and need food, even if they are replaced by chatbots in the workforce. The comparison is therefore useless, unless you plan to murder the unemployed.

by this logic AI has also used the knowledge of 100 billion people and has the same starting energy debt as a person. with the added bonus that it can't actually create anything new. Even their dumbass arguments can't stand under their own weight

I can outperform ai while being powered by a bag of cinema popcorn, sit your bitch arse down

Idk maybe we should do something about this man.

Oh good, the Bitcoin argument.

"Sure, Bitcoin wastes a lot of energy, but you know what else wastes energy? The Visa payment network."

Yeah, but Visa handles six quadrispillion transactions per megawatthour, Bitcoin handles two drug purchases. Not the same results, is it?

So yeah, training humans takes a lot of energy. But in the end, you get a coherent, capable and well functioning individual. Spend the same energy on training LLMs and you get a system that'll happily tell you to glue the cheese on pizza or something.

Altman, Thiel, Musk, et al, need to be headed to the gallows.

Y'know what uses the most resources, Sammy?

BILLIONAIRES!

creating the "ai" in the first place also required the evolution of those 100 billion people. So by that argument, he was behind before he even started, and it's impossible to catch up

Tech bros deal in false equivalencies. In general they rely on the playbook of logical fallacies. The one they rely on most is the presumption that the technology they're trying to sell is correct by default as if it's a fundamental law of the universe. And that the onus is on others to prove them wrong. Rather than them having to prove its correctness.

They often resort to ad hominem by implying their detractors lack intelligence or they're emotional. This again draws on more logical fallacy that because they deal in technology it means they presume to own the position of being purely objective and correct by default. So anyone who says otherwise is disputing science itself.

In other words they never have to prove the veracity of the technology they're trying to sell because they divert the discourse off topic to frivolous arguments about something else.

Oligarchs see human as disposable resources

If we ate just one techbro the other ones would fall in line pretty quickly

There's an easy answer to this problem.

Started from "for good of humanity" and now we're at "humans use a lot of energy". Man why does everything have to suck like that.

Except the energy AI is using should also calculate the amount of time and energy used to create all the plagiarized works in its memory banks to make a better comparison.

I really wish Sam Altman would treat himself with the dignity and efficiency he wants to treat us with.

The ideology of evil eugenicists didn't die with Hitler, and they didn't die with Epstein either.

a master class in what-about-ism

wouldn't let that nerd fix a paper jam. visionary hallucinations. by that logic we should all die so ai might live cheaper. amen

Maybe we could use altman to fuel the ai? As charcoal?

Sam Altman is right. In fact, when you think about it, humans also give off lots of excess energy in the form of body heat, and it is only logical that this energy would be harvested to make AI run more efficiently. AI gives humans so much, it's only fair if they give something back.

/s

Isn’t the key thing here the idea that economics, machinery etc are there to serve or support humans? It seems that the rich and the Techbros are of the opposite opinion.

Won’t anyone think of the poor rich people and their AI?

Somebody actually did the math, and even accounting for all the energy that it takes for a human to stay alive a pair of decades, it's not even a hundredth of the energy needed to run the training of GPT-3. And GPT-4 took over fifty times that. Cf. fosstodon.org/@atoponce/116121…
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This man is completely bonkers! Arguing it's OK to feed the machine with limited resources over a human!
Damned those American oligarchs are batshit crazy sociopaths.

The percentage of sociopaths involved with creating a society should never be greater than zero.

Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.