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[-] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

How about they make post-Trump America happen first?

[-] Pamasich@kbin.earth 7 points 4 days ago

Democrats seek to reassure Europe about post-Trump America

Not going to read the article, but the only way to reassure Europe is with results. Get Trump out of office. Clean up the mess. That means prosecuting EVERYONE involved. Prosecute the people in the Epstein files. Prosecute every ICE member. Prosecute the Republicans that enabled this shit. Reverse what can still be reversed, or at least make plans to. And change your fucking constitution to actually have teeth and effective division of power.

Don't just take back control and then act like it's back to business as usual with all the changes kept in effect, no one punished, and MAGA allowed to organize once more.

[-] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 73 points 5 days ago

Even if Trump is gone in three years, the MAGA people are still there and so is Vance, Thiel, Musk, and others. That doesn’t sound very reassuring to me.

The billionaire is basically have everything locked in right now. They've even managed to just walk right into government institutions to f*** things up steal our data and fire people without the authority.

They're going to go to war with us financially next.

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

There is only one solution to billionaires: they should not exist. However you want to understand this statement is correct.

That would be ideal.

[-] ALF839@piefed.social 47 points 5 days ago

IF the US survives Trump (we'll see if he allows the midterms to happen) we still cannot allow another chance to be betrayed by a close ally. The MAGA cult will not evaporate even with a democrat president. Europe needs to focus on two main issues, energy and tech independence. At the same time we should try to eradicate the American military presence in Europe and bolster our own armies. An United Europe is impenatrable, both economically and militarily.

[-] Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf 10 points 5 days ago

There needs to be a mass-deprogramming & reeducation campaign for MAGA cult members after this regime is gone. They need to understand the damage that Trump and the GOP has done was only possible because they blindly supported a pedophile demagogue.

All of the collaborators who facilitated the excesses of the regime must be put on trial, that includes Congress, Supreme Court, cabinet members, corporate media and billionaire donors. If they are not prosecuted they will take control again.

[-] fierysparrow89@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Eye for an eye is very biblical and perhaps the root cause of the regime's brutality. So no. Better off focusing on the root cause of the societal decay of the last decades. Laws that are set up for oligarchs to circumvent and masses to be keep under control with debt and barriers to organize themselves.

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[-] mrsilkworm@piefed.social 47 points 5 days ago

When the glass is broken and trust is gone, it takes a lot if time, if any to heal. Europe should just go for strategic autonomy, in energy, defence, tech, anywhere. Then deal with whomever as equal and not as a subservient. I'm sure Democrats would not object that kind of relationship

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 12 points 5 days ago

Of course they'd object, they want vassals, not allies. Republicans are a whole lot more vocal and obvious about it.

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

It's worth noting that everyday Dems often want very different things than the "leadership Dems" that are in power under corporate and foreign influence. I don't want vassals - a tiny silver lining of Trump is American hegemony in decline. Thats only a good if Authoritarians don't step into that gap. I hope EU can be the standard bearer and defender of liberal (as opposed to illiberal) democracy in the world until we get our shit together

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah exactly, when I say Democrats, it's the establishment Democrats, not the average Democrat voters (at least, I hope so).

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[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Economically the EU is an equal, the issue is military and overall cohesiveness. The EU needs to be able to act unilaterally in ways that are going to piss off it's own member states. The challenge is creating a framework where that's possible, without creating an unaccountable force, or constant bickering indecision.

[-] Fishy@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

So people joke about Obama getting the Nobel prize but it felt like it was the rest of the world rewarding the US for choosing sanity after 8 years of Bush.

There was a hope for things to get back to “normal”. Before then I remember Americans often wore Canadian flags cause the hatred was so high. I think people forget how badly the US fucked up then. (And this was the general feeling—not just the left who are well aware of the decades of problematic behaviour)

We’ve welcomed the US back once. Never again.

You keep fucking up the entire world because of your egos and your hate.

No “we’ve changed” or “we will change” rhetoric will work again until those who have caused this face consequences.

Fix yourselves before appealing for forgiveness.

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[-] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago

Sorry yankees: Trump is a symptom, not a cause.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 4 days ago

We’ll see you over in the Former Empire corner, yeah?

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 5 days ago

or Donors/billionaires are freaked out right now and want to still do business in EU, and trotting out patsies in the DNC to say what they want to hear.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

The US in its current form will (hopefully) not regain the trust it lost. They have shown that their checks and balances don't work, the separation of powers was meaningless, they didn't learn from history, and they'll just keep going with fptp voting, gerrymandering, and general drift into fascism if Europe just gives them a pass.

You want back in? Make yourself a proper democracy. There's a first time for everything. No electoral college, no voter suppression. Sounds impossible? ... Yeah.

[-] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Trump is the result of decades of continuity in U.S. foreign and domestic policy. He’s not an aberration. “Good cop, bad cop”, nobody’s buying it anymore.

[-] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 19 points 5 days ago

Like a toxic ex going "but I've changed"...

[-] jjpamsterdam@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago

I'm fully convinced that the United States have nothing more than a controlled opposition at this point. It's honestly hard to imagine a world in which an authoritarian government willingly gives up power through elections without any major upheaval. I'd personally want to see a Romanian scenario, but I fear the land of the free and home of the brave doesn't have it in itself to get rid of a dictatorship.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Democrats seek to reassure Europe about post-Trump America

This whole thing is so awfully awkward and unreal. Maybe I'm being too cynical, but;

  • If Democrats are trying to reassure Europe, that's a very bad sign
  • If they do that, it's becasue they feel, need or want to use Europe to get some leverage against Trump
  • Somehow they perceive that Europe can or should save US from itself
  • They are asking Europe because there's no-one else.

If anything, its actually a sign of how dire the situation is, because they fear there might not be a democracy left Post-Trump.

If there is anything I can read into this, it's best if we all be prepared for the worst.

Especially, condidering UK send an aircraft carrier to Greenland in context of the Munich Sec Conference and that a noteworthy letter was send to UK & German newspapers, quote:

" (..), the complexity of threats demands a whole-of-society approach and an honest, continent-wide conversation with the public that defence cannot be the preserve of uniformed personnel alone. It is a task for each and every one of us."

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

the DNC wants to maintain the status quo and not lose elections to more "progressive candidates" so they want EU to bypass that somehow and keep thier positions(either through funding or lobbying certain states?, which they are desperate for donor money.)

they shouldnt have ENDED THE shutdown so soon, when they were gaining so much political capital from it, now they are seen nothing more than gop-lite.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 5 days ago

The bad news: Yeah no, because there's no political will in America to actually address the root cause that lead to this.

The "good" news: Yeah no, because MAGA isn't going anywhere, so we don't need to test this theory.

[-] mgtzbos@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

so dems have a message for europe. where is the message for us citizens? who’s the priority - citizens or businesses worried about their wallets as europe turns away from us businesses (TECH)? i’m curious how they think they will repair our country and democracy.

[-] AnnieByniaeth@feddit.uk 11 points 5 days ago

There's a widespread view in Europe, which I happen to share, that the US is lost - for a considerable time. It's unlikely to be a dependable ally for at least a generation.

This is going to hurt Europe, but in the longer term US isolationism will hurt the US more than it will hurt the rest of the world. It makes a lot of sense for the opposition party in the US to be trying to prepare the ground for a repair of those relationships if and when they gett into power.

Good luck to them, but I think it's going to be too late.

[-] Zanshi@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

I don't think the dems will try to fix anything if they get into power. They will try to appear more moderate but I don't think they will really back out of the most changes. They're paid off by the same masters.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

the DNC is making that message, so i suspect its to prevent many of thier seats getting primaried in 26 and 28, they want EU ceos/corporations, banks likely funding the gop/turmp to put pressure on them somehow?

[-] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 4 days ago

I would say that the priority is to convince the entities (EU) that buy the US debit to not sell it. If EU (and the other buyers) start to dump US debt, US will have a way bigger problem than Trump.

[-] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 4 points 4 days ago

We will have proof when we have eaten the pudding surrounding it.

[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Trump may be gone but he's pulled back the curtain and exposed the US for who they are. Too many in the US fully support him. Even many Democrats support at least some of what he does.

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[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

It's just a little slimy, it's still good!

-Homer chasing after the runaway roast hog.

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago

The deer's famous last words, out of the lion's mouth: "This is not as bad as it looks!"

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago
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