This also applies to renewable energy btw. Some people seem to think we can't start with the energy transition before we've figured it all out, including storage for the winter and at night.
Let's just build solar panels and wind mills and see how far we can go with that :D much more productive that way.
Yeah, the "only nuclear will solve the problems" people really just seem to be working to keep fossil fuels at this point.
And so do the “avoid nuclear at all costs” people
FUCK YES to oat milk. I love oat milk. I also love cheese and haven't really found a good substitute yet, but oat milk is the GOAT milk.
But never announce it on social media. The purists will fight you.
Vegans have the worst PR department ever
I’ve never encountered a group I mostly agree with that I want to avoid more
I've been a strict Vegan for over a decade now and even i tend to stay away from the crowd. It's a bit better offline, but depends on how much any person needs to boost their ego by signaling moral pureness.
The purists will hate you, and those that hate the purists will also hate you.
vegans as well as linux users are nowhere near as outspoken and petty as they are made out to be. personally i find jokes about that insufferable and ubiquitous. The ratio of jokes about this to actually people like this existing is like 100:1. my theory is, They get so much shit because them just existing reminds people of their own shortcommings, instead of applauding people doing the effort to pioneer a better world these people decide to make a snarky remark and continue being lazy and annoying with these jokes.
I know quite a few vegans in my life who are amazing, nonjudgmental people. On Lemmy, I've been called a "murderer" and a "carnist" for mentioning I'm reducing my meat consumption.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
And the enemy of progress. If everyone arrived for "good enough" we'd get further than people who refuse to try for fear of not achieving perfection. And this is problem comes not only from that person, but from the external pressure to be perfect. Fuck that shit. My old man used to get on me as a kid, "You only want to be good enough?" Yeah, that's fine. I get everything done that I need to, and I can go be good enough at some other shit too, and I think I make the world around me better with all of my good enough shit.
Can you still be incorrigibly self righteous?
It's recommended.
Gatekeepers are the fucking worst. Every time I start reading up on something there's always a handful of miserable condescending shitheads being nasty to people because they're 'not 'doing it right.'
Most vegan threads I come across usually has some of these, insulting anyone that's not 100% on board even if they're trying to get into it. Audiophiles are pretty much on the same level as hardcore vegans when it comes to being obnoxious (recently saw someone ask why the op was bothering setting up a music system if they didn't have thousands of dollars to spare, for example). Linux users on support threads is a coin flip of whether they'll be helpful or insulting.
Let people ease into things, stop demanding perfection right out of the gates!
An issue with boycotts in general is that people are constantly talking about what not to do and not what to do alternatively or the specifics on how to get there. Eventually it makes you realize that literally anything you do will cause someone to get genocided or abused somewhere, and when they way out isn't clear or straightforward, now you're overwhelmed with thousands of things you hate that you do and have to figure out how to change on your own one by one, and those changes result in new problems that overwhelm you or turn out to also be unethical and you have to change them yet again. And in the end you hate yourself because your change attempts made you miserable while you're still doing doing harmful things and other people hate you because you're still causing genocides and the rest think you're an idiot or a hypocrite for trying at all, while meanwhile everyone else around you is just enjoying themselves and not giving a fuck, and you'll always be a terrible person anyways so you might as well give up.
I think if more people instead of saying "don't do this" instead said "do this instead" when they talked about what to boycott and why, that would help with harm reduction a lot more.
Veganism is not a boycott. Here's the commonly-accepted definition of veganism from the Vegan Society:
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
Remember this always: Try.
Do what you can and don't regret it. It's not on you to fix the world but if we all just try, even a little bit, we might succeed eventually. Just remember when you try, I am too and so are millions and millions of others
Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly
"We do this not because it is easy, but because we thought that it would be easy."
Dont get caught up in labels. If you want to vegetarian but don’t want to give up bacon just do it. Doesn’t matter what you label it it’s just a diet.
I am seeing more and more folks go veg simply because the price, and that's great! Build a culture of veg meals and normalize the epic curries, chillis, soups, stews, spreads, and tofu / seitan/mushroom dishes
I really like Derek Sarno's YouTube channel for this reason. I feel very welcome watching his content because he doesn't browbeat folks who aren't fully vegan, he just presents an epic mountain of some of the most mouth watering vegan food I've ever seen.
Instead of purity tests to keep folks out, we need more people like Derek who hold the door open for everyone, so they can smell the amazing food cooking inside.
I support small changes for self improvement. Buying pints instead of fiths is a start.
When the vegetarian option becomes cheaper and tastes just as good though, continuing to eat the meat version is an explicit choice.
I knew a guy who did this for a time. Ate only vegetarian, but fried bacon to every single meal, then crushed it and sprinkled the bacon on as salt.
He did that until he got a job as a chef, then he said it got too hard not to eat any of the delicious food he was preparing at work.
i always wanted to quit smoking, but couldn't drop the first cigarette with my morning coffee. it took me way too long to make peace with that single cigarette, turns out i can easily forgoe the other 19 I've been smoking every day
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Moderation is my favorite word
I am very fun at parties
This is such a conundrum for me because I absolutely support people eating less animals and animal produced products but veganism is not a diet it is a philisophy. You are not vegan if you do this and you should not call yourself vegan. Dilution of the term IS harmful. At its core veganism is the belief that animals should not be exploited for anything under any circumstances. They have every right to this earth as we do and it is our responsibility to insure their lives are not harmed by us.
Vegan restaurants and tiktok chefs do infinitely more for veganism than posters.
I eat more veggies and less meat than ever
That's down to iterative changes.
If the only option was a hard-line cold-turkey (lol) approach, I'd very likely have never changed a thing
what you believe is not shown by what you just tell yourself in your head, but shown by how you act. it means that if you say you believe in the ideals of veganism but can't give up a meal of bacon for it, you simply don't hold that value strong enough.
which is fine, its okay to be unsure about your values, but lets not confuse ourselves here by saying we can hold certain values without behaving like we actually do.
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