It's me! I'm the propaganda! How dare I read the code and tell you all about it.
reality is a hexbear smear campaign
Nice try, but I have already depicted you as the snarling Hexbear tankie, and myself as the enlightened lemmy.world contributor
TankieWizard casting a spell to trick the innocent lemmitors into losing faith in pieFED
Woah, it's an honor to meet you mr. propaganda, I've heard so much about you!
Please, call me Red, Mr. Propaganda was my father.
how dare you only post snippets of the code when there's so much of it!
what a good developer does in 50 lines of code, a bad developer does in 500
Yoooooo thank you Slrpnk for this thread because I totally missed that earlier thread criticising parts of Piefed's code and OMFG it's bad and full of shit that is the dev's personal feelings deliberately hidden and it deliberately gives misleading errors to prevent you discovering what it's actually doing.
If a dev is deliberately obfuscating their errors to hide what their fucking service is actually doing you should run the fuck away. That is not a good or honest dev.
Like, I wouldn't have used it to begin with but having your code do one thing and then telling the user it's doing something else screams malicious developer.
EDIT:
As Edie mentioned, if someone has a user blocked, and that user replies to someone, their comment is dropped:
if parent_comment.author.has_blocked_user(user.id) or parent_comment.author.has_blocked_instance(user.instance_id):
log_incoming_ap(id, APLOG_CREATE, APLOG_FAILURE, saved_json, 'Parent comment author blocked replier')
return NoneFor Example:
Cowbees comment on lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/41587312/23288779
Non-existent on piefed.social: https://piefed.social/comment/9647830
(see Edies original comment here)
This enables deeply deeply malicious behaviour not to mention being malicious in its own right. One blocked user is blocking ALL users. You could make an account on piefed, block the entire fediverse, and Piefed will then drop all of it lmao.
The ideological purpose of this that the dev has is so that the invested people who actually take time to learn this (anticommunists) can block any leftists across the fediverse and function as a secret and hidden element of blocking left wing content.
Deeply malicious developer is an understatement.
If you're an anarchist or a socdem or a whatever don't think this doesn't apply to you and that it will only be used against communists, anyone even vaguely leftwing will be blocked by people who know this function exists and all of your shit will never appear there. It is a platform that will make the left completely invisible if you do not exist directly on it. But you better bet that if you exist on it and say the wrong thing that's slightly further left than what they approve of they'll come down on you too.
One blocked user is blocking ALL users. You could make an account on piefed, block the entire fediverse, and Piefed will then drop all of it lmao.
Only in reply to you, either direct comment replies or if you are the poster then anywhere in the comments.
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Slightly less bad but it's still going to achieve the elimination of everything remotely left of center. Think of what power users dominate reddit and how neoliberal they all are. Everyone that ever says anything anti-zionist will be blocked and their left wing takes that are less controversial (to genocide supporters) will then all disappear.
this is more or less exactly how reddit works. i don't know why they don't just go back to reddit.
They seek the failure of decentralised media. They'll go back after achieving that goal.
The fact that censorship of that sort is even there in the first place is the problem. If you wanted people to be able to modify the software like that it should be separated from either the main code base or even just in a different namespace.
Now I will say Rimu is good at what they do. I had an issue where I couldn't load my main feed and there was nothing I could do client side. They had it fixed within 2 hours of me raising an issue on codeberg. That was great. But their skill isn't the issue. Its them choosing to inject their opinions in a social media software that has the effect of controlling what everyone using it sees that is the issue.
Sorry for preaching to the choir. Its just after interacting with hexbear quite a bit, I don't see the bad wrap unless someone is misunderstanding what "death to america" means.
You're a good egg, Sanctus.
I imagine this sequence of events happens a lot:
-see a post saying hexbear wants to execute all infants for being reactionary or something
-go to hexbear
-it's all pissing owls
Regarding people misunderstanding Hexbear, I'd argue its deliberate. Not that they are aware, even, but that they choose to never interpret anything we say charitably, because doing so results in uncomfortable realizations. I highly recommend everyone read Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of "Brainwashing" as we are all guilty of this, to greater or lesser degrees.
Write shit code.
Gets called out.
IT'S A SMEAR CAMPAIGN.
for fuck's sake
I didn't know what piefed was, so I took a peek at a repository
A Lemmy/Mbin alternative written in Python with Flask. Clean, simple code that is easy to understand and contribute to. No fancy design patterns or algorithms.
That's all I need to see to know to never touch that software.
No fancy design patterns or algorithms.
This is like when liberals insist that an assessment is "unbiased" or "non-ideological". It's impossible. What they mean by "no design pattern" is "no design patterns I don't like".
Man software is hard. They're always saying stuff like "Lberry is a branch of the Fortnitely bootlickLoader made for asynchronous thread calls on the VersTop backend".
And then I open a plugin up and see completely uncommented code like
If x.getParent(struct.key(2).getIsPresent("present")) = 3.rad(y):
buttLoader.load(buttSettings.buttSetting(new butt))
Else:
x.setIsTrueIfFalse(true)
And their newest git update is how they're excited to be moving to Android while their documentation is 20% complete and their newest feature I actually like is a pull request from some 17 year-old in Nebraska using legacy code to do something in 3 lines I spent 10 hours figuring out how to make but better.
(And yes, the first if statement is an assignment because obviously someone modifying the code knows that the get method of x also assesses 3 arbitrary attributes and returns a bool)

No fancy design patterns or algorithms
Is such a red flag TBH, depending on how it's meant
The flag is so red, Stuart Semple would make it illegal for Anish Kapoor to use it
Clean, simple code that is easy to understand and contribute to.
Given how ad-hoc the snippets of codes RedWizard and others have posted, I strongly suspect Pifed's code to be a horrible spaghetti mess.
As an example, there are two places in the code that do the 4chan image stuff, for uploads on the server and for federated content
And they do not call to some function, they both have a copy of the code doing it.
Edit: switched the links
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images > 2000px tend to be real photos instead of 4chan screenshots. chan posts usually contain the text 'Anonymous' and ' No.12345'
"usually" "tend to" is not a fucking good filter, there'll be a lot of false flags.
Also the # most vote manipulation bots have 8 character user names and never post any content
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Wait really? It's that bad? Calling a function is one of the first things you learn to do in Python.
sorry sweaty, clean abstraction is one o them fancy patterns and we don't take to kindly to no algorithms around here
Yeah, Python was a warning sign when I first heard of Piefed. I then decided I didn't want anything to do with it or instances running it when I learned that hexbear and lemmygrad blocks are hardcoded in the source code. This is also touched upon in more detail in the original thread where @RedWizard@hexbear.net posted the analysis.
We don't engage in any "campaigns"
What is with lemmy instances and their insisting that we do this?
I’ve seen people trying to organize campaigns on Hexbear before. It’s like herding cats.
This website couldn't organise a TV dinner for a mash marathon and people think we're running concerted campaigns of terror
It really comes down to the fact that organizing is not the purpose of this site. Where these libs get this idea that we're some kind of 4chan/kiwifarms-esque hate mongering mob is beyond me.
Where these libs get this idea that we're some kind of 4chan/kiwifarms-esque hate mongering mob is beyond me.
Projection, lol.
poVoq was and still is a (pseudo?)anarchist shitlib with a serious hateboner for lemmygrad and then hexbear.
Why is being mad about Rust so often correlated with reactionary opinions?
Its a labor issue between older, established and predominantly male C++ devs and newer, more diverse Rust devs. Like DoD contracts are now mandating "memory safety". Real shit. C++ is the language you learn if you get a CS Engineering degree. Those departments tend to be crawling with 4channers, who see all of the effort that Rust put into documentation, tooling, detailed error messages, and CoC's as gay.
There's a pretty good paper "A Case for Feminism in Programming Language Design" which highlights more on this. I have the PDF but idk his to share it.
PieFED is not an example of this though. Actually its the opposite. Python users tend to be academics, like chemists, who only need it to crunch some data. Its literally just because its too hard for them and they have more important stuff to do. Which is clearly the case here.
well commented
must have been reading a different piefed repo than I was
The 1984-style gif filter function that fails to parse for markdown that would be necessary for the links to appear as gifs is hilarious
Holy fucking shit lmao. I am actually speechless.
extremely detailed, sourced comment detailing various problems with piefed
That intentionally leave out most of the picture. This is how propaganda works; not by lying but by spreading selective truths.
The Piefed dev has by the way also responded to these allegations: https://slrpnk.net/post/33525301/20457257
That said, I do think some of these optional features are somewhat misguided. However, in the past the main Piefed dev has had an open ear to such concerns and did end up removing several half-baked features again when people explained why those seemed like bad ideas.
That intentionally leave out most of the picture. This is how propaganda works; not by lying but by spreading selective truths.
Damn, first time I've seen this in the wild, the US alphabet agencies have been pushing this idea of "Malinformation" that is, correct information but told in the wrong way(i.e. making them look bad) since Trump's first term I believe. Guess it has taken to time to really sink into the liberal arsenal of thought terminating cliches.
Recuperation happening in real time. Fucking wild.
"Smear" Campaign and its simply pointing out the Code
piefed smears itself with its existence
slurpnik 
solar punk? more like stroller stunk.
blammo, gottem.
Slop.
For posting all the anonymous reactionary bullshit that you can't post anywhere else.
Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.
Rule 2: If your source is a reactionary website, please use archive.is instead of linking directly.
Rule 3: No sectarianism.
Rule 4: TERF/SWERFs Not Welcome
Rule 5: No bigotry of any kind, including ironic bigotry.
Rule 6: Do not post fellow hexbears.
Rule 7: Do not individually target federated instances' admins or moderators.
