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Yoooooo thank you Slrpnk for this thread because I totally missed that earlier thread criticising parts of Piefed's code and OMFG it's bad and full of shit that is the dev's personal feelings deliberately hidden and it deliberately gives misleading errors to prevent you discovering what it's actually doing.
If a dev is deliberately obfuscating their errors to hide what their fucking service is actually doing you should run the fuck away. That is not a good or honest dev.
Like, I wouldn't have used it to begin with but having your code do one thing and then telling the user it's doing something else screams malicious developer.
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This enables deeply deeply malicious behaviour not to mention being malicious in its own right. One blocked user is blocking ALL users. You could make an account on piefed, block the entire fediverse, and Piefed will then drop all of it lmao.
The ideological purpose of this that the dev has is so that the invested people who actually take time to learn this (anticommunists) can block any leftists across the fediverse and function as a secret and hidden element of blocking left wing content.
Deeply malicious developer is an understatement.
If you're an anarchist or a socdem or a whatever don't think this doesn't apply to you and that it will only be used against communists, anyone even vaguely leftwing will be blocked by people who know this function exists and all of your shit will never appear there. It is a platform that will make the left completely invisible if you do not exist directly on it. But you better bet that if you exist on it and say the wrong thing that's slightly further left than what they approve of they'll come down on you too.
This a valid and necessary tactic to deal with persistent spammers and other types of malicious actors actually
Aren't you banned here? And you have me blocked on your other account too.
I fucking liked you, I don't know what the hell happened to you but you went completely the wrong direction. If you think splitting with communists while people are getting shot in the face in the streets and communists are literally the only people organising an effective opposition(the strike was PSL) you are out of your fucking mind.
Not banned here. Never blocked you iirc. Don't have any other accounts.
I haven't ever changed direction (well since I became an anarchist at least) , so not sure where you saw that (or what it has to do with my comment above).
I'm not "splitting" with communists. I've always maintained that we can work together so long as they follow anarchist praxis. Same as with libs.
You definitely were banned here. The modlog says that was removed 27 days ago. I clearly don't know what has gone down to change that. I feel like I vaguely remember it being to do with defending mods with very obviously reactionary positions but I'm pretty fuzzy about it other than knowing things went down to make me see you as on the shitlist.
Literally one fucking comment ago you just told me you weren't splitting.
I am dead serious about this, if you still reject left unity you are a fucking idiot. Fascists will be dragging you out of the house to be shot in the street and there will still be dipshits screaming about the awful tankies, it's fucking ridiculous, you know as well as I do that whatever gripes you have with communists we're still markedly better than the capitalists and failure to ally with us when the alternative is literal barbarism will be a death sentence.
Not being "united" with Marxists (or libs) doesn't mean we can't work with them to bash the fash. You're conflating two different things. Rejecting left unity simply means we don't accept your narrative about geopolitics nor do we accept your blanket leadership.
In other words, you're welcome to bash the fash with us, so long as you don't expect us to do unreasonable things like praise "aes" in the process or vote for you in elections.
When you say you reject left unity but want to temporarily ally the way that comes across is "we view you as enemies, but the lesser evil".
The problem here is that you are setting us all up for some sort of failure with this approach. I see the following as the only possible scenarios:
1. No left unity, only temporary alliance. Capitalism is overthrown.
Post-revolution communists will look on the anarchists with deep suspicion because your line will have always been this clear "we are enemies but temporarily allied" thing you're pushing. The result of this will be communists and anarchists fighting and killing each other afterwards, the result of this will be anarchists getting wiped out by superior organisation as has historically occurred. Not a result I want.
2. No left unity, only temporary alliance. Fascists win.
We fuck around and find out. We all die to fascists.
3. Left unity. Fascists win.
Welp at least we tried.
4a. Left unity. Capitalism is overthrown.
Everything goes great but something strains unity afterwards and a breakdown happens anyway. We kill each other. Anarchists get wiped out by superior organisation as has historically occurred. Not a result I want but I acknowledge it is still a possibility.
4b. Left unity. Capitalism is overthrown.
Everything goes great, it all works out. Anarchists get their autonomous zone and communists construct socialist state. Communists leave the anarchists alone because they are sincere friends and there is actual trust. Anarchists don't fuck around and make themselves distrusted by the communists so the socialist state has no reason to delete their autonomous zone as it does not make itself appear as a potential threat. This works out best for everyone.
What I'm trying to get into your head is that your lack of sincere friendship, your lack of real unity, it has no positive outcomes at all. The best possible outcome if we examine the potential scenarios is unity and sincere friendship. That is the outcome I want most.
"fall in line or be purged after the revolution" is not the convincing argument you think it is. Even if I were to accept your revisionist takes, it would still lead back to capitalism, which is also what has historically occurred. No, I'd rather forge the anarchist way and try doing prefiguration instead. MLs are free to join us and build the new world in the shell of the old. I have no problem offering sincere friendship through that.
Also note that I've never been hostile to y'all, but I can't say the opposite is true given the incredible amounts of bad faith and attempted bullying I have to tolerate whenever I interact here. Hell, just now I just came to point out a literal fact, and you turned it into a condescending scolding
This is a disingenuous way to read what I've said and highlights the point I'm making, YOU are the one making us into enemies.
At no point did I say this. What I said was that if two sides distrust one another, particularly because one side is declaring the other only temporary alliance but ultimately an enemy, then the other side is left with literally no choice but to see that as a threat. It's a sincere combative stance. One that forces the other side to react appropriately to being regarded as an enemy.
I don't want that position at all. I've clearly stated that. I want left unity. I want sincere completely and total friendship.
You are the one calling the other side the enemy and then complaining when I point out that doing this will cause the other side to take an appropriate position to you when you are openly declaring yourself as a threat.
The appropriate position to foster the best outcome is complete and total commitment to friendship, trust and love. Any misguided attempt to foster combativeness will result in elements (of both sides) becoming combative, and that combativeness will fester into real world actions, and those real world actions will fester into real world reactions.
You are being hostile by declaring us an enemy in this way. Either we make real and concrete commitments to friendship and go forwards with a real and sincere attempt to make it work or it is guaranteed to end in horrible failure in one way or another. The only outcome that has a good possibility is fully committing to making things work together for all of us, and I completely acknowledge that might still fail, but it's still the only one that has a possible good outcome for all.
I disagree, I'm not making you the enemy. I just won't follow your tactics or your rhetoric. If you think that not doing what you think I should be doing, makes me your enemy, that's on you.
We can certainly do make clearly friendly attempt to make it work. Y'all join us in doing anarchist prefiguration and it's all gravy.
As strange as it may be, I didn't come to lemmy predisposed against hexbears, but it was y'all direct actions over the last 3 years that have made me suspicious and cautious against y'all. This should tell you something. You're not winning hearts and minds with your overall behaviour which is of course counter productive for revolutionary purposes.
Honestly it really all just sounds terribly vague. "we should all just be friends" can't be forced. What are the steps you're taking to nurture such friendship with anarchists like me? Because let me tell you, revisionism about the lessons anarchists learned when allying with MLs and bullying when we speaks against "AES" ain't it.
I would encourage you not to overgeneralize from your own feelings. One of could rightly apply that first sentence to you, and surely you would see how asinine it would be. There are a number of leftists, including on your instance, who received a hostile introduction to us but who do in fact like us, and many more who at least don't bear your very obvious animosity (and the same is also held by most of HB regarding most of your users).
Hexbears constantly make such statements, based in uncharitable interpretations, particularly in places like slop and get highly upvoted for it. But my greater point is that if one's plan is a large leftist umbrella, it's counter-productive to follow strategies which alienate a lot of anarchists who do in fact share my anti-"left-unity" thoughts.
And sure, there's m@tes who don't get on hexbear shitlist.Typically those tend to be the ones who don't take as dim view of "left unity" as other anarchists, or who know to keep their thoughts to themselves at least. I just don't see this inter-instance relationship as overall healthy however.
You defended and supported a neonazi, I can only assume you were unbanned by accident. You certainly don't belong anywhere near any left-wing space.
Lol, nah it's actually worse than that, I'm actually Hitler
Left unity is when anarchists obey MLs, and when anarchists ask for MLs to compromise they are called counter revolutionary and banned.
But I guess one random user said "oh I used to like you" before insulting you for being consistent in your beliefs, what a loss of an ally. Someone who doesn't like being told something differently and then insults others.
And if we did the same...
Out of idle curiosity, is this:
Not the same? "Just behave as anarchists and we can work together"?
Only in reply to you, either direct comment replies or if you are the poster then anywhere in the comments.
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Slightly less bad but it's still going to achieve the elimination of everything remotely left of center. Think of what power users dominate reddit and how neoliberal they all are. Everyone that ever says anything anti-zionist will be blocked and their left wing takes that are less controversial (to genocide supporters) will then all disappear.
this is more or less exactly how reddit works. i don't know why they don't just go back to reddit.
They seek the failure of decentralised media. They'll go back after achieving that goal.
i gotta say, i don't see it happening
There's only a handful of projects and they're all directly connected to Lemmy. Killing Lemmy is first step towards killing the idea of a decentralised reddit alternative entirely. Sentiment towards other projects will plummet if the first and largest of them falls over.
It's also not like liberals haven't tried to make an alternative to reddit in the past. Tildes was even made by a reddit admin but it never caught on because it doesn't really have a hook. The hook Lemmy has is fundamentally about wanting to get away from corporate centralised control, which is ideologically leftist whether these liberals like that or not. The projects that the liberals are in charge of will trend the wrong direction, away from all the things that give Lemmy a hook that continually brings in more people. They don't get it. They just want to recreate reddit.
Kill the leftist project and the others will not have a hook and go the same way as other reddit alternatives did historically.
i get the thought, but i just can't see it happening. at least not as an explicitly political project. maybe lemmy will make some sort of unforced error but even then idk. no redditor is going to voluntarily spend their time building a community just to destroy the tankies. and so long as piefed sucks so much i just can't see it happening. maybe the buyeuropean libs will manage to keep the piefed community big enough for it to happen but in its current iteration i just can't imagine it destroying lemmy.
I agree, a lot of the anti-tankie stuff is heavily astroturfed by a few power-users who have made "anti-tankie" their personality, and those users are less popular than the "tankies" they complain non-stop about, so when those guys go to make their own social media, it seems like the rest of lemmy will be happy to not have to hear people freaking out about tankies all the time. In other words, most lemmy users are probably just
yeah you can't make a more enticing platform with insufferable users and bad software
There's a lot of groups that aren't just random individual redditors who have an interest in seeing off something like this. Who's paying for it? Where's the money coming from to do the work? Where's the money coming from for hosting? Piefed only has 12 donators.
Facebook has actively attempted to harm the fediverse already. There are going to be others.
web hosting isn't terribly expensive and a single software developer with a grudge would be enough to make some code and pay for the domain and hosting. especially because it's so badly-developed. idk if the fediverse is big enough yet for social media to do that sort of astroturfing but i guess it probably is. idk i just can't imagine the piefed movement taking down lemmy unless it changes direction completely.
Look up the "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish" strategy in regards to fediverse.
??? Facebook(meta) literally has their own platform on the fediverse, Threads is owned by Meta. They are absolutely engaged in what's evolving and playing some sort of game, others will be too. These are organisations with more resources than some countries and fewer restrictions, they've got hidden operations on top of their public ones.
Something we haven't discussed here is that Reddit (except on niche or local subs) is just on a whole different scale than the Fediverse. The active subreddits have enough users that blocking 10 people from replying to you isn't gonna stop the hundreds of others who still would say the same things in response. Meanwhile on Piefed if I'm a lib and I block 10 leftist accounts then post about how the Tiananmen Square, it's way less likely for someone to come and post the full video.
In fact, it's even worse: if I'm one of the 10 people they blocked and I post the link (since it still appears that I can from the Lemmy side) then another leftist reading the thread from a Lemmy instance will see the reply and won't feel the need to post it themselves, but the Piefed users on the other side won't.
That's not entirely correct as things seem to be right now. It's not a piefed-lemmy divide (yet at least, piefed may start federating blocks, in which case it could be), it's either only the blocking users instance, or all but the blocked user and potentially replied to users instance that can't see the comment.
That might be slightly confusing, so let me give examples:
In all of these your local instance can of course also see the comment.
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this looks easily trollable though.
time to make accounts on tons of piefed servers