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Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

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Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t want to share what I have learned but the news I have just heard is extremely depressing

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

The iron dome

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

unicorn riot livestream philly pro-palestine protest, good interviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc53FjGkj70

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Something suspicious is happening with American aircraft carriers - CVN 71 Theodore Roosevelt left San Diego today, yesterday CVN 72 Abraham Lincoln left the same base

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

🔴 White House says US arranging charter flights to help citizens leave Israeli occupied Palestine.

Presstv

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Why is it being kept quiet that the Maine shooter abandoned his car next to a boat launch, and that he owned a small boat? Only seen it once tucked into a CNN multi article page

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

China moving 6 warships to the Middle East.

Love inching closer to World War III every day.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

~11m ago

Fighting reported close to Al-Quds hospital

We've been trying to establish the extent of Israeli military activity around Al-Quds hospital, the medical facility from where Israeli forces have ordered an evacuation.

The Palestinian Red Crescent posted on X that there have been "raids 50 meters away from the hospital" since this morning. It is unclear what kind of raids these were.

Marwan Jilani, the group’s director general, told BBC News that, until around 17:40 local time (15:40 GMT), there was “very intense bombardment around the hospital” and that one rocket had fallen “only metres away”, damaging windows and forcing people sheltering in one section of the building to move to another.

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (the umbrella organisation of the Palestinian Red Crescent) said in a statement that health workers in the hospital report ‘violent attacks and shelling very close to the hospital’.

Mr Jilani also said that his organisation had been told by the Israeli government via UN officials that the order to evacuate the hospital had been rescinded, but that the message came at a time when the bombing around the hospital “was still ongoing”.

“[The UN] is trying to clarify, and they’re trying to make sure that, if truly there is an order to rescind, to communicate it to the military that this hospital is protected.”

- BBC

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Iranian Foreign Minister: We support any political solutions for a ceasefire, sending humanitarian aid, and preventing the displacement of #Palestinians

Iranian Foreign Minister: American support for #Israel has encouraged it to intensify attacks on #Gaza and the West Bank

Iranian Foreign Minister: It is necessary for the international community to adhere to its responsibilities to support the resisting #Palestinian people

Iranian Foreign Minister: If #Israeli crimes continue, the expansion of the war and the opening of new fronts in the region are possible

Comes across like they see the situation as if Israel would back down if the US would reduce some of its support. And they think threatening escalation possibilities while explaining this might get the US to come around to reducing that support.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Israel agrees to US request to delay ground invasion: Report

Israel has agreed to delay the invasion of Gaza for now, in order for the US to rush missile defences to the region, US media outlet Wall Street Journal has reported.

Citing US and Israeli officials, the Pentagon is working to deploy around 11 air defense systems in the region, WSJ said, including for US troops stationed in Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

Israeli officials, according to WSJ, have agreed to American requests to wait until these systems are in place, potentially within this week. On Sunday, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned that Washington would retaliate if US troops are targeted in the course of the Israel-Gaza war.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Footage from Israeli media of the convoy that raided Gaza, prior to getting their shit kicked in.

https://streamable.com/468x3o

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

i rewatched battle of algiers last night (goes hard)

but i dont think ive ever been quite so confized by a wikipedia article regarding how independence and the FLN actually shook out. can't find much about social programs besides "high human development index" either

what have they been cooking over there?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

(CW: for the hardcore tankies EW HASAN EW)

https://youtu.be/JnVtpgCNLA8?t=2147
https://yewtu.be/embed/JnVtpgCNLA8?t=2147 (for privacy comrades)
(disclaimer I'm drunk)
this little bit of a story of Palestinian people trying to help their neighbors only to get genocided broke my fucking heart man. seriously if I was approached with the offer to help develop a virus that only kills kkkrakkkers I think i'd do it, holy fucking shit man...

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Sourcing is probably gonna be a bit dodgy, considering nobody knows what the hell is going on:

Alt: Mariam Barghouti مريم البرغوثي @MariamBarghouti 2h There is a butchery happening.

Coastal areas of Gazs reports that American troops of the Delta unit are fighting on the ground.

The United States is officially a state accomplice in crimes of genocide and ethnic cleansing. Should not be treated in the UN as a normal state.

Oct 27, 2023 · 8:41 PM UTC

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago

There's an burst of updates at CNN in the last ~10 minutes - https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-27-23/index.html

Just the headlines...

Israeli military says forces are "operating forcefully" on all fronts

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UN prepares to vote on Israel-Hamas war

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Ground operations expanding in Gaza, Israel Defense Forces announce

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago

AJ screenshot of the jenin road Israel bulldozed last night, incidentally right next to the shrine to the murdered journalist

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (6 children)

My guess is they’re waiting for macron to leave then the ground operation will begin.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago

SVT (Swedish broadcasting agency) doing their darndest to be "neutral" about the AI generated dead baby pictures by eqvivocating the Israeli state spreading them and a picture that showed up in an Egyptian protest.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Also a piece by our boy Bhadrakumar over the weekend: Biden gives booster dose to the faltering Ukraine war. He comes down rather pessimistically on the Ukraine War for Russia. He says that the war in Israel has essentially injected new life into the "democracy vs autocracy" conflict, with Biden pretty explicitly saying that both Russia and Hamas are threats to democracy and thus in some way part of the same axis. Poland's electoral changes do not herald any changes in their support for Ukraine, and Sunak eventually losing to Starmer in the UK also will change nothing.

Essentially, he says that the post-counteroffensive wobbling has been mitigated, and everybody continues to be all-in for the war, including large amounts of funding to keep the Ukrainian economy going. He says that the advantage that ATACMS gives Ukraine is meaningful, and so too might be the supply of Gripen planes, which can operate from narrower, shorter runways including highways, thus meaning that airbases need not be used. The United States has said that the White House is still going to deliver new and increasingly advanced weapons systems in the coming months (which are still under production).

Who can say now that what happens in Ukraine, which is 10000 kms away, does not concern the United States? Biden began his speech on Thursday on a Churchillian note: “We’re facing an inflection point in history — one of those moments where the decisions we make today are going to determine the future for decades to come. That’s what I’d like to talk with you about tonight.”

He went on to say, “American leadership is what holds the world together. American alliances are what keep us, America, safe. American values are what make us a partner that other nations want to work with. To put all that at risk if we walk away from Ukraine, if we turn our backs on Israel, it’s just not worth it.”

So, Ukraine war is no longer about the Westphalian principle of national sovereignty and the UN Charter — or even about this being not an era of wars. It is actually about American leadership, American alliances, American values — plainly put, hegemony, NATO, exceptionalism.


Personally, I think this is much too pessimistic and if Israel is caught in a long hot war and the US is forced to supply large amounts of weapons to Israel and the US military bases in the Middle East then Ukraine will naturally receive less stuff, but nonetheless it appears that Ukraine's economy will not be the factor that causes the eventual collapse, due to all the funding. It'll be either the equipment running dry, or the lack of trained men. Given Russia's ability to adapt to new weapons systems used against them, I also think that the ATACMS will eventually be mitigated, as will whatever planes the West sends - the Russian military only continues to grow in power as best as I can see. Regardless of what happens, looks like the war is definitely still on for 2024 - any chance that the US might walk away with its tail between its legs and do the classic move of abandoning its ally as it loses, that possibility has been squashed for now.

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