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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

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https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

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https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

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Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Why are liberals obsessed with calling leftist opinions and principles childish or accusing people having them of being teenagers?

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (25 children)

new deranged Sanders tweet just dropped:

Israel has a right to defend itself against Hamas. But innocent Palestinians also have a right to life and security. I’m calling for a humanitarian pause by all parties so that critical aid can be delivered to the suffering people of Gaza and for the immediate release of all hostages.

he sucks so much man. he literally cannot stop himself from saying 'Israel has a right to defend itself'. he won't even call for a ceasefire, the fuck is a 'humanitarian pause'?

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Adam Johnson on Bernie's recent senate speech about Gaza.

"Humanitarian pause" for a few hours so we can get some water and food into Gaza before Israel goes right back to bombing them is an illogical, chickenshit demand. OxFam, Amnesty, MSF and dozens of aid and human rights orgs are demanding a CEASEFIRE. Why wont Sanders join them?

(This is a rhetorical question, the answer is because Sanders supports the Israeli bombing and siege he just wants it to be a bit nicer around the margins)

Nitter

A reply

He drew the line at they shouldn't be dehydrated when they die.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

French Communists want alternative to Mélenchon-driven left coalition

“The seriousness of the international situation, as in France, calls on the left to live up to its responsibilities. Unfortunately, it has not”, the French Communist Party (PCF), which is also part of the left-wing alliance NUPES, said in a statement issued on Sunday. The PCF, which met at its National Council, suggests ending NUPES, the alliance formed for the legislative elections in June 2022. It now brings together left-wing MPs in an “intergroup” in the National Assembly. Today, the NUPES, “formed […] under the hegemonic will of [Mélenchon’s party] LFI, has become a dead end”, the communists said in their statement.

“The recent refusal to describe the atrocities committed by Hamas as terrorist acts” and “the insults of LFI leaders, comparing the PCF leadership to Nazi collaborationists” were among the reasons listed in the statement.

This “weakens the rallies needed for peace in the Middle East and the fight against the Israeli army’s war crimes”, the PCF National Council added.

...

However, the Communists still want to “bring together the people, the world of work and the left” through “a rally that is useful and respects our differences”.

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“I don’t even know what to say about Jean-Luc Mélenchon anymore. I have the impression that he and his camp are engaged in a strategy of permanent conflict”, explained Marine Tondelier, the head of the Green party, on France Culture on Saturday.

Western leftists have gotta be the most useless fucking people on the planet. Holy fucking shit.

kind-vladimir-ilyich

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Horrible news for Boers.

https://nitter.net/EFFSouthAfrica/status/1716416036583404008

MALEMA: The EFF when it takes over next year, it is going to arm Hamas and make sure Hamas has got the necessary equipment to fight for their freedom #EFFStandsWithPalestine

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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Whatever happens, the world owes Palestinians a debt we can never repay. Gaza was a testing ground for surveillance and counterinsurgency worldwide, a laboratory in which the ruling class devised increasingly violent means of separating themselves from their subjects. October 7th shattered the illusion of an invincible, low-cost and high-tech military occupation. The goal was always to build more Gazas to manage refugee and homeless populations, Operation Al-Aqsa Flood has delayed that future indefinitely.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 74 points 2 years ago (5 children)

The obsession with "innocent civilians" is infuriating. No interest in the reality that every war results in massive civilian casualties. No interest or awareness that Palestinian's don't have the luxury of precision weapons (which still kill tons of civilians). Not even the hint of the concept that maybe settlers aren't non-combatant civilians due to the specific circumstances of the Israeli state and it's mode of conquest. No awareness or interest that Israel is a heavily militarized state (Human shields!).

Just "These people trying to save themselves from genocide are illegitimate because they killed civilians".

And this standard is never applied except to the designated enemy. us-foreign-policy

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[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I absentmindedly had Hexbear open on my laptop, and my toddler just happened to see the logo and declared I WANT TO SEE THE BEAR

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Numerous attempts by terrorists to murder Palestinian and Arab activists, but let's keep fearmongering about antisemitic death squads roaming Brooklyn

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Dear White people, a puppy is traumatized & shaking due to the nonstop Israeli bombardment on #Gaza by land, air and sea. Do you feel anything yet? That would definitely move you but not loss in civilian Palestinian lives, no? Shame on you. CW (traumatized animal)

Unironically, this would probably work better as agitprop, westerners are programmed not to feel compassion or sympathy for Arabs and non-whites in general, even alot of hexbear comrades have family or friends who don't seem to give a shit about a genocide on TV, maybe a shaking dog will crack their fuckin skulls, spread it around and see what happens

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[–] DeDollarization@lemmygrad.ml 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

US occuptation forces evacuating Baghdad tonight at the airport.

Sabereen News

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[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (14 children)

"It seems to me that the view of Hamas, the strategy if there is one, is that in a way they probably view the hostages as leverage."

some incredible insight here, wow I never thought of it like that

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Hasan dared to expose me to like 5 minutes of MSNBC coverage and it made me so viscerally angry. "Hamas has no credibility whatsoever" says this anti-cracker-aktion ass piece of shit who will later repeat IDF claims uncritically fuck you. Mainstream media are complicit in genocide and should be treated as such.

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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Pull from a Russian fighter near avdeevka, cited by the latest simplicius

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-102723-ukraines-prospects

Do I feel sorry for them? No. They killed and injured my friends, they want to kill me every day. I don't feel sorry for them. Although, for the most part, the people who stand against us are not rabid Nazis, but ordinary Hataskrayniks who were forcibly driven to slaughter.

But if you look at everything in its entirety, it was they who brought Ukraine to its current state. That same silent majority who don’t care about Bandera, or the Russians, or the USA - as long as their farm, kindergarten, pigs are not touched, as long as they don’t run out of vodka and lard, and at least the grass doesn’t grow.

They didn’t care about the Maidan, about the shelling of Donetsk and Lugansk, about the genocide of the Russian population, about the murders of children, women and the elderly, about Azov’s torture, about language bans, about the split in faith... And then it turned out that they couldn’t sit it out that you have to take a machine gun and die for the interests and goals of NATO.

And then they hated us, with a fierce, terrible hatred. Because their little farmstead world collapsed. Because this war reminds them every day of their cowardice, weakness and silence. And in their anger they blame us for everything, because they are afraid to look in the mirror and ask themselves uncomfortable questions.

And we, of course, will win. We know that. And they know it. And this makes them hate us even more.

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[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Cant Keffals fucking coke habit blow up her heart already?

Doing tankie bad fearmongering during a genocide, what a fucking worm.

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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (9 children)

On a group chat with a bunch of american libs I kineticly engaged with western style propaganda and utilized fact based materielist ordinance. Enemy combatant posters were neutralized to the point of asking "well what would you do?"

Thank you news thread for providing a steady supply of wunderposten that has allowed establishment of a beach head on an otherwise perfectly smooth surface.

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[–] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (7 children)

U.S. Cannot Halt China's Semiconductor Advance to 5nm: Ex TSMC VP says

Interestingly, the U.S. sanctions seem to have inadvertently opened the doors of opportunity for SMIC. The restrictions imposed on TSMC, barring it from transacting with certain Chinese entities, have allowed SMIC to step in and capitalize on substantial orders. This shift has facilitated SMIC's enhancement of its manufacturing techniques and technological capabilities.

I hope they end up outperforming the US way faster than anyone expected

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Palestinian sources are saying Hamas have pushed up so far that they're engaging forces outside the strip.

Western sources are saying that thousands of Israeli soldiers are inside Gaza.

Complete fog of war has descended. I have basically no idea what is happening now. I'm more inclined to trust Palestinian sources but take it as you will.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (15 children)

🇺🇲⚡️US bases under attack: “At least 24 US soldiers were injured to varying degrees during attacks on our installations in Syria and Iraq over the past week” - US Central Command

▪️Media also report that US bases in Iraq in the evening were subjected to new missile attacks and drone attacks from the Islamic Resistance of Iraq.

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Via Middle East Observer:

⚡️🇪🇬 Vodafone in Egypt states that it will install cell towers in Rafah, Egypt, to allow Palestinians in Gaza to continue their coverage and document the atrocities that is ongoing as of now.

Work should start tommorrow.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago

100% of the people who demand you condemn Hamas are a-ok with the US blowing away tens of thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki; and will get very angry if you suggest that it was not done because “it would have cost the US a million lives to conquer Japan because they will fight to the last man”.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Last night at Celtic Park:

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[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I'm Korean. Israel and Palestinian relation is very different from South and North Korea. However, there is one similarity. While Israel and South Korea are prosperous, Palestinians and North Korea are poor and miserable. Why? It's because they spend all their energy on hate.

galaxy-brain

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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (4 children)

On the last RWN episode John made an interesting point, that many if not most of the recent famous urban and/or guerrilla battles have seen the aggressor use proxy forces or some kind of expendable troops to do the boots on the ground work.

For example, in Vietnam/Korea the US used the south Vietnamese/south Koreans, in fallujah and mosul the Americans had Iraqi/peshmeera/militia troops, in mariupol the Russians had DPR troops, in bakhmut the Russians used Wagner prison conscripts, and Russia supported the battle of aleppo from the air while on the ground work was done by various militias and government forces.

In contrast, the IDF is flying solo, with nobody but Israelis to die for the cause of genocide. Considering how precious Israel treats IDF sperm, this can't help but change the calculus.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

huge protest organized by Jewish Voice for Peace at Grand Central Station, this kind of stuff is great. start blocking critical infrastructure, shut down airports, burn down embassies - actual effective forms of protest.

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[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it seems that Israel's offensive has begun... reminds me of this quote:

"The mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone -- everything you love; all the hope and tenderness in the word. It has to take it off, just for one second. To do the deed."

the-deserter

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

One of the two South Africans confirmed killed was Sa'ar Margolin, literally a settler. Another Boer KKKracker down BRRRRRRAT BRRRRRRAT

rip-bozo packwatch officer-down PIGPOOPBALLS idf-cool crab-party anti-cracker-aktion fuck-around

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (2 children)

— 🇮🇱/🇵🇸 In yesterday's infiltration of Zikkim, Al-Qassam used two elite divers to swim to the Israeli coast unnoticed

They were able to resist the IDF for a full 5 hours before they were eventually killed.

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm looking forward to the day when the US Empire crumbles to fucking dust, and it and its allies get to pay for all the death and destruction they've caused over the last century. It will be bittersweet, and the least they'll deserve. amerikkka

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[–] ItsPequod@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hasan losing connection, Hexbear going down periodically pepe-silvia MOSSAD

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[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

60,000 people are sheltering at Al Shifa hospital, and Israel just released some fake recording saying it is Hamas HQ.

being reported on Al Jazeera

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Is it Iran that is relentlessly committing war crimes in Gaza?

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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I was out and about today and was happy to see a whole bunch of pro palestine people demonstrating on the street downtown. This is settler country so great to see. No blue and white chuds in sight.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago

Hamas official calls for stronger intervention from Hezbollah

A senior Hamas official tells The Associated Press that the Palestinian group had expected stronger intervention from Hezbollah in its war with Israel, in a rare public appeal to its allies in the region.

Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas’s decision-making political bureau, said in an interview with the US news agency that “we need more” from allies, including Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon, in light of the Israeli air campaign.

“Hezbollah now is working against the occupation,” Hamad said at the Hamas office in Beirut. “We appreciate this. But … we need more in order to stop the aggression on Gaza.

“We expect more.”

even Hamas is like wtf are you guys waiting for?

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Shaun's chat raised 50,000 for Palestine so he has to stream FFX-2 in a cat maid outfit

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Israeli envoy says international funding to UN should end

Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, has called on the international community to cease funding the global body, days after the UN General Assembly passed a non-binding resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

“Every honest country should defund the UN. Until the bias stops and the anti-Semitism stops, we can no longer continue business as usual,” he told Fox News, adding that the UN was structurally flawed because one-third its member states were Muslim countries.

why are these people so deranged? they foam at the mouth over the secretary general saying stuff and a non-binding resolution passing - you have the unconditional backing of the US, wtf more do you want? they can't handle even the tiniest amount of criticism.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It is very funny that the rhetoric of Israel's government has basically been "We will utterly destroy Hamas. There will be no living member of the organization when we are done. Our forces will enter Gaza and annihilate the terrorists found within. We are fulfilling the prophecies of our ancestors by finally wiping out the most evil group that has yet existed on this earth. We have a dozen ways to destroy the tunnel networks." and then they try and enter Gaza and within five minutes their forces are crying their eyes out and calling for helicopter evacuations.

We really are cursed to relive the Ukrainian counteroffensive again. First as farce, second as even greater farce. Israel's plans for Gaza post-war feel like Zelensky saying that he'll be sunbathing in Crimea in the summer.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Israeli official says will fight Starlink’s deployment in Gaza

The minister of communications has said Israel will “use all means at its disposal to fight” the use of Elon Musk’s Starlink to support connectivity for aid groups in Gaza.

Posting on X, Shlomo Khari said if the Starlink satellite internet is deployed “Hamas will use it for terrorist activities”.

“There is no doubt about it, we know it, and Musk knows it,” he wrote.

“Perhaps Musk would be willing to condition it with the release of our abducted babies, sons, daughters, elderly people,” he wrote.

Musk had made the offer to use Starlink in Gaza earlier today, although further details have yet to emerge.

- Al Jazeera

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Current situation: Sounds like Israel tried to do a ground advance. Shit went very badly and even some of their troops were captured. Helicopters called in. Media blackout.

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

Hundreds of journalists and photographers from media companies all over the world attended today the screening of a film of assorted footage showing the extent of the horrors committed by Hamas.

Footage was taken from numerous sources, including from bodycams worn by the terrorists, dashcams, from emergency rescue personnel and Israeli security service cameras.

What they saw left many of the reporters visibly shocked and disgusted.

https://twitter.com/emanumiller/status/1716434509128765783

https://nitter.net/emanumiller/status/1716434509128765783

And will there be a screening of IOF warcrimes against Palestinians? Or just these latest Hamas ones?

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

IOF has just announced that if they do not nuke Gaza, then Hamas will complete production of their Gundam by the end of the week, which will destabilize the region. Evidence of Gundam production was a gif of an animated Gundam with a green headband and a caption that said “I hate America”.

Anthony Blinken has stated he believes the evidence put forth by the IOF based on highly classified US intelligence.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Get ready for 3 months of probing attacks.

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[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet. Senior Tory MP Crispin Blunt was arrested on suspicion of rape and possession of drugs yesterday. He was also suspended from the Tory party. Says he's innocent of course.

Now I'm not usually one to come out in defense some Br*tish sex pest, especially a fucking Tory MP, but this guy literally said that the United Kingdom was complicit in Israeli war crimes LAST WEEK. He also claims he was extorted in connection to this three weeks ago. Now considering the noncery the average Tory MP gets away with daily on that godforsaken island, the timing, and how he was immediately arrested and expelled from the party based on an unknown accusation, before charges are even filed... what?? that happens to powerful people over there?

Like I'm freaking the fuck out at this? holy shit they just totally suppressed this guy right? jesus there's probably some fucking Epstein/Maxwell connection involved here too with Israeli and British intelligence services or some shit, idk my brain is melting and I'm going fucking insane with this rn! epsteingelion trueanon

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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love when the fact that I am a “tankie” is continually reinforced and very well explained by real world events

If you’re not a “tankie”, maybe you should do some self-reflection

Woke for radlibs

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (8 children)

The only congressmembers who aren't currently endorsing genocide.

anti-cracker-aktion

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It’s stark to look at Al-Jazeera’s website and see how they are unafraid to show the suffering of the Gaza people - mothers crying while holding badly injured children, for example. Flip over to CNN’s website and the only people you see crying are settlers who are upset their relatives are hostages. At best, you’ll see demolished building but CNN (and all other western media) very obviously want to hide any suffering by the Palestinians while highlighting Israeli “suffering”.

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[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago

UNCRITICAL SUPPORT TO ALL RESISTANCE PARTIES CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE HEROIC ANTI-ZIONIST, ANTI-COLONIAL AND ANTI-IMPERIALIST STRUGGLE.

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