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If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
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English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


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The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Why are liberals obsessed with calling leftist opinions and principles childish or accusing people having them of being teenagers?

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

French Communists want alternative to Mélenchon-driven left coalition

“The seriousness of the international situation, as in France, calls on the left to live up to its responsibilities. Unfortunately, it has not”, the French Communist Party (PCF), which is also part of the left-wing alliance NUPES, said in a statement issued on Sunday. The PCF, which met at its National Council, suggests ending NUPES, the alliance formed for the legislative elections in June 2022. It now brings together left-wing MPs in an “intergroup” in the National Assembly. Today, the NUPES, “formed […] under the hegemonic will of [Mélenchon’s party] LFI, has become a dead end”, the communists said in their statement.

“The recent refusal to describe the atrocities committed by Hamas as terrorist acts” and “the insults of LFI leaders, comparing the PCF leadership to Nazi collaborationists” were among the reasons listed in the statement.

This “weakens the rallies needed for peace in the Middle East and the fight against the Israeli army’s war crimes”, the PCF National Council added.

...

However, the Communists still want to “bring together the people, the world of work and the left” through “a rally that is useful and respects our differences”.

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“I don’t even know what to say about Jean-Luc Mélenchon anymore. I have the impression that he and his camp are engaged in a strategy of permanent conflict”, explained Marine Tondelier, the head of the Green party, on France Culture on Saturday.

Western leftists have gotta be the most useless fucking people on the planet. Holy fucking shit.

kind-vladimir-ilyich

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Adam Johnson on Bernie's recent senate speech about Gaza.

"Humanitarian pause" for a few hours so we can get some water and food into Gaza before Israel goes right back to bombing them is an illogical, chickenshit demand. OxFam, Amnesty, MSF and dozens of aid and human rights orgs are demanding a CEASEFIRE. Why wont Sanders join them?

(This is a rhetorical question, the answer is because Sanders supports the Israeli bombing and siege he just wants it to be a bit nicer around the margins)

Nitter

A reply

He drew the line at they shouldn't be dehydrated when they die.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The obsession with "innocent civilians" is infuriating. No interest in the reality that every war results in massive civilian casualties. No interest or awareness that Palestinian's don't have the luxury of precision weapons (which still kill tons of civilians). Not even the hint of the concept that maybe settlers aren't non-combatant civilians due to the specific circumstances of the Israeli state and it's mode of conquest. No awareness or interest that Israel is a heavily militarized state (Human shields!).

Just "These people trying to save themselves from genocide are illegitimate because they killed civilians".

And this standard is never applied except to the designated enemy. us-foreign-policy

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Horrible news for Boers.

https://nitter.net/EFFSouthAfrica/status/1716416036583404008

MALEMA: The EFF when it takes over next year, it is going to arm Hamas and make sure Hamas has got the necessary equipment to fight for their freedom #EFFStandsWithPalestine

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Whatever happens, the world owes Palestinians a debt we can never repay. Gaza was a testing ground for surveillance and counterinsurgency worldwide, a laboratory in which the ruling class devised increasingly violent means of separating themselves from their subjects. October 7th shattered the illusion of an invincible, low-cost and high-tech military occupation. The goal was always to build more Gazas to manage refugee and homeless populations, Operation Al-Aqsa Flood has delayed that future indefinitely.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal bne intelliNews

We are getting more and more corroborating evidence that the peace deal in March-April 2022 was real, and painted US/NATO as the party behind that denied the deal from moving forward because some wanted to use the opportunity to weaken Russia.

I recommend reading the linked article because there are a lot more details in this story, but the most interesting part I want to point out is this:

According to Schroeder the deal would have included the following main aspects:

  • Ukraine would abandon its Nato aspirations;
  • The bans on the Russian language in Ukraine would be removed;
  • Donbass would remain in Ukraine but as an autonomous region (Schroeder: "Like South Tyrol");
  • The United Nations Security Council plus Germany should offer and supervise the security agreements; and
  • The Crimea problem would be addressed.

Honestly this sounds like a very good deal for Ukraine considering what they are going through today. All the blood shed since can now be firmly laid on the hands on US and NATO imperialism at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Numerous attempts by terrorists to murder Palestinian and Arab activists, but let's keep fearmongering about antisemitic death squads roaming Brooklyn

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I absentmindedly had Hexbear open on my laptop, and my toddler just happened to see the logo and declared I WANT TO SEE THE BEAR

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Dear White people, a puppy is traumatized & shaking due to the nonstop Israeli bombardment on #Gaza by land, air and sea. Do you feel anything yet? That would definitely move you but not loss in civilian Palestinian lives, no? Shame on you. CW (traumatized animal)

Unironically, this would probably work better as agitprop, westerners are programmed not to feel compassion or sympathy for Arabs and non-whites in general, even alot of hexbear comrades have family or friends who don't seem to give a shit about a genocide on TV, maybe a shaking dog will crack their fuckin skulls, spread it around and see what happens

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

US occuptation forces evacuating Baghdad tonight at the airport.

Sabereen News

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Pull from a Russian fighter near avdeevka, cited by the latest simplicius

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-102723-ukraines-prospects

Do I feel sorry for them? No. They killed and injured my friends, they want to kill me every day. I don't feel sorry for them. Although, for the most part, the people who stand against us are not rabid Nazis, but ordinary Hataskrayniks who were forcibly driven to slaughter.

But if you look at everything in its entirety, it was they who brought Ukraine to its current state. That same silent majority who don’t care about Bandera, or the Russians, or the USA - as long as their farm, kindergarten, pigs are not touched, as long as they don’t run out of vodka and lard, and at least the grass doesn’t grow.

They didn’t care about the Maidan, about the shelling of Donetsk and Lugansk, about the genocide of the Russian population, about the murders of children, women and the elderly, about Azov’s torture, about language bans, about the split in faith... And then it turned out that they couldn’t sit it out that you have to take a machine gun and die for the interests and goals of NATO.

And then they hated us, with a fierce, terrible hatred. Because their little farmstead world collapsed. Because this war reminds them every day of their cowardice, weakness and silence. And in their anger they blame us for everything, because they are afraid to look in the mirror and ask themselves uncomfortable questions.

And we, of course, will win. We know that. And they know it. And this makes them hate us even more.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Hasan dared to expose me to like 5 minutes of MSNBC coverage and it made me so viscerally angry. "Hamas has no credibility whatsoever" says this anti-cracker-aktion ass piece of shit who will later repeat IDF claims uncritically fuck you. Mainstream media are complicit in genocide and should be treated as such.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (14 children)

"It seems to me that the view of Hamas, the strategy if there is one, is that in a way they probably view the hostages as leverage."

some incredible insight here, wow I never thought of it like that

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (7 children)

U.S. Cannot Halt China's Semiconductor Advance to 5nm: Ex TSMC VP says

Interestingly, the U.S. sanctions seem to have inadvertently opened the doors of opportunity for SMIC. The restrictions imposed on TSMC, barring it from transacting with certain Chinese entities, have allowed SMIC to step in and capitalize on substantial orders. This shift has facilitated SMIC's enhancement of its manufacturing techniques and technological capabilities.

I hope they end up outperforming the US way faster than anyone expected

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

Via Middle East Observer:

⚡️🇪🇬 Vodafone in Egypt states that it will install cell towers in Rafah, Egypt, to allow Palestinians in Gaza to continue their coverage and document the atrocities that is ongoing as of now.

Work should start tommorrow.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Last night at Celtic Park:

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

Palestinian sources are saying Hamas have pushed up so far that they're engaging forces outside the strip.

Western sources are saying that thousands of Israeli soldiers are inside Gaza.

Complete fog of war has descended. I have basically no idea what is happening now. I'm more inclined to trust Palestinian sources but take it as you will.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (15 children)

🇺🇲⚡️US bases under attack: “At least 24 US soldiers were injured to varying degrees during attacks on our installations in Syria and Iraq over the past week” - US Central Command

▪️Media also report that US bases in Iraq in the evening were subjected to new missile attacks and drone attacks from the Islamic Resistance of Iraq.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (9 children)

On a group chat with a bunch of american libs I kineticly engaged with western style propaganda and utilized fact based materielist ordinance. Enemy combatant posters were neutralized to the point of asking "well what would you do?"

Thank you news thread for providing a steady supply of wunderposten that has allowed establishment of a beach head on an otherwise perfectly smooth surface.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago

100% of the people who demand you condemn Hamas are a-ok with the US blowing away tens of thousands of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki; and will get very angry if you suggest that it was not done because “it would have cost the US a million lives to conquer Japan because they will fight to the last man”.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Cant Keffals fucking coke habit blow up her heart already?

Doing tankie bad fearmongering during a genocide, what a fucking worm.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (2 children)

— 🇮🇱/🇵🇸 In yesterday's infiltration of Zikkim, Al-Qassam used two elite divers to swim to the Israeli coast unnoticed

They were able to resist the IDF for a full 5 hours before they were eventually killed.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (4 children)

On the last RWN episode John made an interesting point, that many if not most of the recent famous urban and/or guerrilla battles have seen the aggressor use proxy forces or some kind of expendable troops to do the boots on the ground work.

For example, in Vietnam/Korea the US used the south Vietnamese/south Koreans, in fallujah and mosul the Americans had Iraqi/peshmeera/militia troops, in mariupol the Russians had DPR troops, in bakhmut the Russians used Wagner prison conscripts, and Russia supported the battle of aleppo from the air while on the ground work was done by various militias and government forces.

In contrast, the IDF is flying solo, with nobody but Israelis to die for the cause of genocide. Considering how precious Israel treats IDF sperm, this can't help but change the calculus.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (12 children)

I'm Korean. Israel and Palestinian relation is very different from South and North Korea. However, there is one similarity. While Israel and South Korea are prosperous, Palestinians and North Korea are poor and miserable. Why? It's because they spend all their energy on hate.

galaxy-brain

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it seems that Israel's offensive has begun... reminds me of this quote:

"The mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone -- everything you love; all the hope and tenderness in the word. It has to take it off, just for one second. To do the deed."

the-deserter

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

huge protest organized by Jewish Voice for Peace at Grand Central Station, this kind of stuff is great. start blocking critical infrastructure, shut down airports, burn down embassies - actual effective forms of protest.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

One of the two South Africans confirmed killed was Sa'ar Margolin, literally a settler. Another Boer KKKracker down BRRRRRRAT BRRRRRRAT

rip-bozo packwatch officer-down PIGPOOPBALLS idf-cool crab-party anti-cracker-aktion fuck-around

[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hasan losing connection, Hexbear going down periodically pepe-silvia MOSSAD

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

60,000 people are sheltering at Al Shifa hospital, and Israel just released some fake recording saying it is Hamas HQ.

being reported on Al Jazeera

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm looking forward to the day when the US Empire crumbles to fucking dust, and it and its allies get to pay for all the death and destruction they've caused over the last century. It will be bittersweet, and the least they'll deserve. amerikkka

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Shaun's chat raised 50,000 for Palestine so he has to stream FFX-2 in a cat maid outfit

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

Hundreds of journalists and photographers from media companies all over the world attended today the screening of a film of assorted footage showing the extent of the horrors committed by Hamas.

Footage was taken from numerous sources, including from bodycams worn by the terrorists, dashcams, from emergency rescue personnel and Israeli security service cameras.

What they saw left many of the reporters visibly shocked and disgusted.

https://twitter.com/emanumiller/status/1716434509128765783

https://nitter.net/emanumiller/status/1716434509128765783

And will there be a screening of IOF warcrimes against Palestinians? Or just these latest Hamas ones?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Current situation: Sounds like Israel tried to do a ground advance. Shit went very badly and even some of their troops were captured. Helicopters called in. Media blackout.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago

Hamas official calls for stronger intervention from Hezbollah

A senior Hamas official tells The Associated Press that the Palestinian group had expected stronger intervention from Hezbollah in its war with Israel, in a rare public appeal to its allies in the region.

Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas’s decision-making political bureau, said in an interview with the US news agency that “we need more” from allies, including Iran-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon, in light of the Israeli air campaign.

“Hezbollah now is working against the occupation,” Hamad said at the Hamas office in Beirut. “We appreciate this. But … we need more in order to stop the aggression on Gaza.

“We expect more.”

even Hamas is like wtf are you guys waiting for?

[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Israeli official says will fight Starlink’s deployment in Gaza

The minister of communications has said Israel will “use all means at its disposal to fight” the use of Elon Musk’s Starlink to support connectivity for aid groups in Gaza.

Posting on X, Shlomo Khari said if the Starlink satellite internet is deployed “Hamas will use it for terrorist activities”.

“There is no doubt about it, we know it, and Musk knows it,” he wrote.

“Perhaps Musk would be willing to condition it with the release of our abducted babies, sons, daughters, elderly people,” he wrote.

Musk had made the offer to use Starlink in Gaza earlier today, although further details have yet to emerge.

- Al Jazeera

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It is very funny that the rhetoric of Israel's government has basically been "We will utterly destroy Hamas. There will be no living member of the organization when we are done. Our forces will enter Gaza and annihilate the terrorists found within. We are fulfilling the prophecies of our ancestors by finally wiping out the most evil group that has yet existed on this earth. We have a dozen ways to destroy the tunnel networks." and then they try and enter Gaza and within five minutes their forces are crying their eyes out and calling for helicopter evacuations.

We really are cursed to relive the Ukrainian counteroffensive again. First as farce, second as even greater farce. Israel's plans for Gaza post-war feel like Zelensky saying that he'll be sunbathing in Crimea in the summer.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I was out and about today and was happy to see a whole bunch of pro palestine people demonstrating on the street downtown. This is settler country so great to see. No blue and white chuds in sight.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Is it Iran that is relentlessly committing war crimes in Gaza?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Israeli envoy says international funding to UN should end

Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, has called on the international community to cease funding the global body, days after the UN General Assembly passed a non-binding resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

“Every honest country should defund the UN. Until the bias stops and the anti-Semitism stops, we can no longer continue business as usual,” he told Fox News, adding that the UN was structurally flawed because one-third its member states were Muslim countries.

why are these people so deranged? they foam at the mouth over the secretary general saying stuff and a non-binding resolution passing - you have the unconditional backing of the US, wtf more do you want? they can't handle even the tiniest amount of criticism.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

IOF has just announced that if they do not nuke Gaza, then Hamas will complete production of their Gundam by the end of the week, which will destabilize the region. Evidence of Gundam production was a gif of an animated Gundam with a green headband and a caption that said “I hate America”.

Anthony Blinken has stated he believes the evidence put forth by the IOF based on highly classified US intelligence.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I love when the fact that I am a “tankie” is continually reinforced and very well explained by real world events

If you’re not a “tankie”, maybe you should do some self-reflection

Woke for radlibs

[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

"Okay, you can say 'killed,' but try and make sure no one believes you."

NYT: "The Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza released the names of 6,747 people it said were killed in Israeli strikes." (Slightly different headline in link, but the above is what they have on the front page right now.)

. . .

"How much Hamas, which brooks little dissent within Gaza, influences ministry statistics — or whether it does at all — is unclear."

Fuck offfffffff

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (8 children)

The only congressmembers who aren't currently endorsing genocide.

anti-cracker-aktion

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Get ready for 3 months of probing attacks.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago

Listening to the live stream from Gaza, lots of explosions can be heard, probably artillery. But also the sound of birds and children, holy fucking shit. I feel like we're failing them, we cannot continue like this.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 10 months ago (15 children)

BBC journalists 'crying in toilets' over Israel-Gaza output

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23881014.bbc-journalists-crying-toilets-israel-gaza-output/

BBC journalists have allegedly been “crying at work” over the corporation’s “dehumanising” coverage of Palestinians.

Concerns were raised during meeting this week that the BBC had been too lenient on Israel, with staff left crying in toilets and taking time off work over the approach to the conflict.

An email setting out fears that the BBC was “treating Israeli lives as more worthy than Palestinian lives” was sent to Tim Davie, the director-general.

“What Hamas did was atrocious and nobody is excusing its actions, but the mood from a lot of people in the building is that we aren't getting the coverage right,” a source told The Times.

“Staff have been crying in the toilets and freelancers have been sacrificing earnings by not showing up to work because of the distress caused.”

In another email to Davie, Beirut-based correspondent Rami Ruhayem said that he had “the gravest possible concerns” about the output.

“Words like ‘massacre’, ‘slaughter’ and ‘atrocities’ are being used prominently in reference to actions by Hamas, but hardly, if at all, in reference to actions by Israel,” he said.

“Does this not raise the question of the possible complicity of the BBC in incitement, dehumanisation and war propaganda?”

He claimed the BBC was frequently going easy on Israeli officials and allowing them “comfortable airtime”.

“The BBC has taken upon itself in recent years the task of fighting fake news, disinformation, hate speech and such things, a trend in western media,” he said.

“Where is the content analysing the flood of incitement against Palestinians and tracking its impact?”

Journalist John Simpson earlier this week said the BBC has received an almost equal number of complaints about it being biased towards and against Israel.

“People rail at the BBC because they hope they can force it to come down on their side; and when that doesn’t happen — and it’s not going to — they get angrier still,” he wrote in the New Statesman.

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