Well they made college and grad school cost upwards of 200k+ so no shit

I recall a podcast I listened to years ago talking about some schools trying out a new model that worked something like...

Instead of taking out a loan, you just enter into a contract with the school that x% of your paycheck for the first z years after graduation go to the school. Kinda like child support.

Get an unemployable degree and now your making burgers for minimum wage? Then you don't owe anything.

Get an amazing job that pays a ton? That degree is going to cost you.

Now it's in the school's best interest to A) offer degrees that are actually worth something instead of misleading students down a dead end path, and B) help students find and keep good positions after graduation.

It sounded awesome. But what I found infuriating were the people they interviewed that benefitted from the program, now had fantastic high salary jobs, and were whining about how much they were having to pay for the education and program that got them into that high paying job in the first place.

To be clear, this is an issue with the cost, not with the degrees

It's an NBC news poll so I'm not sure it's easy to find much more info on the poll or its history.

Here's a chart showing previous responses:

Duh, civilized countries make education free because it;s a net win for the country. If your politics makes that a bad, dunno, sorry for your loss...

25% of unemployed Americans have a 4 year degree

My job has me on college campuses several times a month, and I often speak individually with over a thousand college students a month.

There is real fear among these students. Many have done everything right, planned a career, took the classes in order since middle school to get there, took out thousands in student loans, all knowing that it will be worth it to get a good job that will pay well for an entire career...

Only to find out halfway through college that corporations are replacing all their software developers with AI, and the career path they've been following since they were a kid, no longer exists.

But they still owe their student loans, even if their Plan B career, which they hadn't considered until they couldn't find a post-graduation job in their field, pays barely more than minimum wage.

Much to the joy of GOP politicians everywhere.

At 18, I went to community college. During my 2 years there, I absolutely fucked my credit by getting credit cards and not paying it back.

So thinking my credit was bad, I decided I couldn't afford University. So I just decided to lie that I had a degree and just kept doing interviews and when it came down to the background checks, I didn't lie.

About 20% of the companies I got an offer for talked to the hiring manager who cared about my fake degree. The rest just turned a blind eye or didn't care.

At 46, I don't lie anymore. After 20 years in the industry, They just care about places I worked and responsibilities I had.

The role models are all dumb corrupt sacks of shit that are on the long road of decline until sometime find out again that meritocracy is better at providing quality.

Shame those lessons need learning time and again.

Conservatives: Then get a high demand and high paying job!

the field becomes too competitive and saturated and couldn't find jobs

Also conservatives: Then work in a factory!

factory jobs gets taken over by AI

Conservatives for the final and umpteenth time: Fuck you!

I've been telling people this for years: Post-secondary educational institutions are no longer about education; they're a business. They do everything they can to maximize profits, and don't really care about the quality of education.

Very noticeable here in the US how much college has become unaffordable and out of reach

Shows in everyday life here from the conversations to just any day to day interaction

In the media all comes out like it is made for young school kids with the words getting smaller and simpler with less sentence structures

Even if voting was not rigged here can tell with way people see our elected officials as football team members to rally behind

Higher education becoming unattainable will lead a country to poorer health, more underpaid factory workers, less quality of life for everyone, less progress, more repeated failures from history, etcetera

Student debt has been increasing faster than ceo pay. Its not a sustainable system but it also will lead to more companies importing workers with hb1 visas, which is probably honestly the corporate plan.

Why pay for workers with rights to go to school when you can just import people who already have a degree you didnt pay for and who you can treat like shit?

Well, the price of a four year degree skyrocketed, while the financial return for most degrees is essentially zero. Not that there isn't value beyond monetary compensation to be had in getting alot of degrees but they now come packaged with a lifetime of student loan debt if you're not wealthy or lucky enough to get scholarship money.

I never did but I’m now middle aged and stuck in my career without one. I’m right now planning on finding a competency based program to try to speedrun, so I can stop working on implementing others peoples broken garbage.

Dramatic? It was practically manufactured.

Community college admissions continue to rise because of this. Even students with excellent grades in high school bypass the 4-year institutions as long as possible. It's the same classes either way. Why pay 10 times more?

As someone absolutely killing themself to barely tread water with a fairly well paying job after getting a graduate degree, the kids are unfortunately correct.

We need to stop saying "American Dream." It's really beating a dead horse at this point. It feels like such a fictional concept to me.

Of course it's being seen that way.

If I were to go to my university this year, doing the same course I'd have:

£9250 x 4 = £37000 for the 4 year course

£9504 x 4 = £38016 for rental accommodation including bills (I picked a rental property that included bills for ease of calculation)

£5000 x 4 = £20000 for food (based on £100/week)

That's £95016

And how much of my degree do I use day to day? Jack shit. Anyone starting my job technically does not need a degree. I work with a niche piece of software that is well known in it's field but outside of that is not. No degree would ever cover this

Good maybe we will finally have some market correction and colleges realize they are not a staple for the American dream anymore.

IMO, being educated should be at least a minimum wage job, paid by the government. This would allow students to focus on learning their crafts, instead of being distracted by part-time jobs.

There are still plenty of jobs that are gated by a college credential. Tech was the biggest way aorund skipping it, and tech is imploding.