Unlike anything evangelicals believe, the Soviet Union existed.

What MLs say: Actually existing socialist states are revolutionary projects that deserve the chance to protect their revolutions. They aren't perfect, but we should fix the imperialist system that holds them back before we extensively critique them.

What these people hear: when the glorious revolution happens everything will be magically fixed

???

Hot take of the day: a worrying number of liberals are actually just evangelical Christians with the serial numbers filed off

The world is sinful full of republicans, but we just have to wait for the second coming next election where everything will be the fixed (i.e. the same)

This could apply to anyone with:

• grievances
• a preferred end-state
• people they criticise
• practices they criticise

mfw I explain to the concentration camp guard that I'm not a tankie and they should let me go because I don't agree with authoritarianism

Wait WE'RE the ones who block progress? What universe do these libs live in

MLs are not passive wishcasters for revolution and liberals don't fight for "actual progress", they just vote for what is on offer and barely even complain when the "actual progress" doesn't happen, if it's even promised in the first place. In fact, they attack those who are critical of this failure to improve conditions. Communists are constantly doing work that is not revolution an helps others / resists oppression, but they also understand that the necessary changes will never be permitted short of revolution - which is why liberals consistently fail and backslide on promised reforms when they aren't just overtly oppressing the global south.

MLs are usually the least naggy when it comes to personal consumption choices, that's more of a faux lefty liberal thing. But we will make fun of your Tesla and other things that make you ridiculous. Also none of this has anything to do with praxis. Liberals treat words like kids treat toys they find on the ground.

But they got one thing right: MLs correctly identify capitalism as the current overarching force for oppression. I don't think they really thought that one through, though, because I guarantee none of them can defend capitalism. Most probably can't even define it.

scientific socialists (aka TANKIES) specifically don't believe 'the revolution will fix everything'. We are not utopians. The revolution is necessary though.

If we're evangelicals, shouldn't they as liberals be trying to appease us and get our votes?

Alienating religious MODERATES like us is just purity politics, tsk, tsk

Oh this person? lmfaoo, just your average Pro Hong Kong separatism, China Innately Bad, Hamas-are-just-like-the-Zionists-actually, Uyghur-Genocide-Believing chud.

They got all the usual lib zingers in that very thread, and it's hard to tell if they're a troll or they're completely serious.

The world is sinfulanti-democratic backsliding but we just have to wait until the Second Coming the Election happens when everything will be magically fixed. Any attempt to make actual progress makes you a lukewarm Christian tankie anything less than the Apocolypse the Election (which is definitely fair and free and democratic full of extremely popular and nice politicians) is completely useless. Also consuming certian media or makin certain lifesytle choices is sinful and unchristian makes you a tankie or a rebellious ineffective anarchist or a secret conservative.

"Revolutions come to those who wait." - Lenin

This is just nonsense, "Tankies" famously support countries that have had revolutions (which clearly haven't magically fixed everything). Pulling off a revolution obviously involves putting in a lot of work organizing, maintaining AES after revolution takes a lot of work, and successfully changing the mode of production takes an enormous amount of effort. The Hexbear line is that everyone should join an org and do real work.

Internet posters are also real people, and ML real people do real organizing. I've spent decades, probably in the 10s of thousands of hours, organizing and engaging in mutual aid in my local community, and my work has seen real results.

And just because we don't believe elections will solve our fundamental problems, it doesn't mean we're just sitting around for a magic solution. To give notable examples of real change in the current system, the PSL was really active in stopping a data center from being built in Tucson, and communists were really active in supporting civil rights and racial equality, even way back in the 20s all the way to the civil rights movement, and then all the way to now.

There just aren't many of us in the United States, so you might not see us organizing, and a revolution might seem impossible (but unlike Rapture, it is very possible).

Shame they've deliberately chosen to populate an echo chamber where no opposing views are permitted or someone could go tell them the USSR existed.

Any media consumption isn't bad praxis, its just not praxis. ML theory says nothing about media consumption, and it does literally nothing to further our goals.

Like, praxis is just putting theory into practice. Obviously not everything in a persons life has to relate to theory, not doing praxis is nothing like a sin.

Bad praxis is more like trying and failing (like right action, wrong material conditions), or being counter-productive. Whether its actually a problem or sin equivalent is entirely context dependent, plenty of people who did bad praxis are hailed as martyrs.

Atleast they are calling us what we are rather than a perjorative from the 50's

If I falsly equate the very fundamental beliefs, goals, methods, and fears of these two groups then they appear the same.

-Very serious post by very serious libs.

I've been hearing this since the SJW OWNED era from reactionaries of all stripes, sometimes coupled with the old "science is just another religion, really makes you think" chestnut

Average Lib: What if this ideology that toppled an aggressive bloodthirsty empire is actually the worst?

This is just "Don't immanentize the eschaton" for a new generation. Smh, these people have no respect for their ideological forefathers

Hot take of the day:

Worrying number of libs are actually evangelical Christians with their serial numbers filed off

The world is a sinful authoritarian hell scape but we have to wait until the second coming every country bows down to amerikkka even more then everything will be magically fixed. Any attempt to actually make an actual progress makes you a lukewarm Christian totalitarian. Anything less than the apocalypse democrat victory (which we are forever waiting for to make anything better btw) is completely useless. Also consuming certain media or making certain lifestyle choices is sinful and unchristian cecepe bot behaviour

Libs love their

Contrapoint was also doing that in her "envy" video.

"and if you don’t live by MY interpretation of some dead guy’s beliefs, you are wrong and are worse than the enemy*

The second part is indeed a problem in the leftist space but, regarding the first part, what isn't an interpretation of some dead guy's belief? That is how the creation of new thought works you can't just magically spawn a belief system not tainted by previous ideas into existence. Not partaking in that process would be complacency which liberals certainly have a knack for.

nothing magical about a revolution, that's just the power of the proletariat, and its the realest thing in the universe

It's always projection with libs. They do nothing, but they are the "good guys" therefore their enemies, the "MLs" do nothing even more.

If I'm actively doing something I'm not going to post about it here, it's bad OPSEC to leave a very clear paper trail. And the goal of volunteering is to help people, not to brag about it online, so I'm not sharing that activity here either. But libs have nothing to fear from the state and love their meaningless internet points, so they assume everyone else is the same. If there's one central idea of belief in liberalism, it's that everyone else is a closet liberal after all.

the world is a sinful hellscape

Do Christians actually believe that the world is sinful? They are some of the most delusional "LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL AKSHUALLY" toxic positivity copers on earth. Or those that acknowledge sin just blame it on individual sinners and/or minority groups. Never the world (gods creation) itself.

Nevermind that leftists are involved in almost every non-right-wing protest movement.

There is some leftists who believe that fighting for improvements now is bad, as it could stall a bigger revolution, but there's a lot of leftists with weird beliefs.

I'd rather they say ML, at least.

I know that this has been said to death, but the post could literally just be applied to any ideology that wants a significant change by non-incremental means. Literally anyone, including liberal revolutionaries under feudalism.