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[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

How about normalizing being informed?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

This post isn't saying you shouldn't be informed. It's just saying you don't have to have an opinion on things you aren't yet informed about.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

My brother-in-law is "informed" about a lot of things, like vaccine skepticism, weather machines, and how arsenic in regular rice will turn his fingernails black. I'm the one that needs to do the research, so I've been told.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's okay to have an opinion on things you don't know a lot about. But it's stupid to hold on to that opinion if you learn it is based on something that is wrong.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago

Normalise hating ai slop

[-] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago

I'm always a little torn on this. Generally, I absolutely agree, and I admire people who say "I don't think I know the full story so I'm not sure". And I try to preface my own uninformed opinions with said uninformedness. But there's two ways to misinterpret this.

There's people who think only "experts" should have opinions and nobody else is allowed to have one, a dangerously elitist view. Don't get me wrong, we shoukd absolutely listen to the "experts", but we should still form opinions. This view can be used to silence other opinions, especially from those who have lesser access to education.

The other perversion of this is that it can be used as an excuse not to care. Especially in Germany I've heard this as an excuse, after October 7th many people claimed it was wrong to even have an opinion on Israel/Palestine since you would have to have lived there to really understand, since it was all so complex and difficult. Anybody who had a clear opinion on it wclearly had no idea. However this rhetoric just enables the status quo (i.e. giving weapons to Israel), and prevents meaningful exchange of ideas.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago

It’s simple: you are allowed to have opinions on things you are not very well informed about. Even if it’s wrong. What matters is being open to changing your opinion when presented with information you did not have.

Also the OP stance is specially ridiculous when applied to things that fall under the social “sciences”, since so much of it is just actual opinions that get passed of as facts through the power of citing other opinions.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

This is the way

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago
[-] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

I guess I can't have any opinions then.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

I would genuinely have a lot more respect for someone who admits to not knowing anything and asks a lot of questions, than some blowhard who thinks they know everything about even one topic.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

"I'm smart enough to know just how stupid I am."

I also wish to learn.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Um, no.

There is no such thing as "properly informed".

Just understand an opinion isn't truth or fact. Form and reform them at will and often.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

I got a hell of a lot smarter when I learned to be vulnerable in this way. I was a "gifted kid" in school and had built most of my identity around being smart, so it was a lot of work, but hugely worth it

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

I'm a fan of strong opinions weakly held. You should always have an opinion and it's ok for it to be wrong if you're willing to change it as you learn.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

In my experience it's extremely liberating to withhold judgement sometimes, especially when it's not needed.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's kind of a prerequisite for growing up into roles of responsibility.

You simply don't get far in terms of business, climbing career ladders, being thought of as reliable and being someone trusted if you react without thinking. I mean, yah there are companies run by morons who conflate loud stupidity for confidence, but largely most of the time if you make yourself available to handle responsibility by proving you won't attack someone's character or dismiss someone out of hand or act annoyingly confident about things you don't know anything about, you will become the "go to" person to handle things.

Just being someone who asks other people a lot of questions makes you likeable and people will choose to want to be around you because they rather tell you about themselves or things they know than be lectured.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

What makes the opinion strong, then?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

You take a stance fully, like "McDonald's is the best food ever" the weakly held part is changing when you try literally any other food.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That seems like hubris and foolishness. Like, if you know you have limited experience with food saying the one you've tried is the best of all seems unlikely to be true. Maybe this is a bad example?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, it's absurd intentionally to avoid discussions of the merits of the opinion. The goal was to focus on the method of establishing a strong opinion and changing based on new learning or evidence.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

That sounds like a hassle, and leads to being wrong most of the time, doesn't it? Most often the answer to any question is some form of "it depends"...

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Yes you'll be wrong a lot, but that's not a bad thing. The constant process of using existing knowledge to form an opinion and then updating as you get more information leads to being wrong less often. It's also basically the scientific method.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

It depends on the decisions you take based on those opinions. For me a strong opinion is one based on a lot of data, that is unlikely to change. Otherwise you compromise, hedge or do some amount of risk management.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

evidence based logic and reasoning.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Then why would hold it "weakly"? I'm not sure I understand the concept...

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

The problem it that people don't acknowledge their ignorance not because they didn't realized it was an option, but because they think they know everything. And if you acknowledge your own ognorace in front of them, they take it to mean that they are superior and will mansplain everything

Once I said I do not know how cancer forms, my boss went off to tell me how it was because of the lack of oxygen so the mask we wore for covid was causing us all cancer. Fucking clown

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

That's when I nod and fade away.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I said "if that were true then scubba divers would have the highest rate of cancer ever" and he failed to understand my point. Only then I realized that I was talking with someone unwilling to listen

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

As others have said, the problem is when people refuse to acknowledge new information or admit imperfection.

You don't even need to fully admit fault in the moment. If someone provides some contradictory information, you can go "Oh, that's new to me. I'll have to read about it."

But the problem is people (all of us, to some extent) are emotionally invested in this. Admitting being wrong or imperfect feels like an attack on our security. You have to let that go. No one's going to hurt you if you admit you forgot the capital of NJ. You don't have to fight and try to change the argument to "well it should be Princeton" so you can avoid feeling wrong.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I take pride in admitting when I realize I'm wrong, and I respect people who you can show proof and flip on the spot

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

But that means I would have to shut the fuck up

[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Based on prices online this person spent anywhere from $70-350 (not including helium) for this sassy pic

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

ah right, the future sucks

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Every time I see a slightly distorted AI person I like to think they're real and actually look like that.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

In my opinion, only edgy 14 year olds would say things like this. There's no way to not have an opinion on everything. I hate LLMs.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I must be one of the lucky ones where I have not come across anyone pressure me to give my opinion on a given topic.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

That guy looks like he is figuring out how to do high fives.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Whelp, there goes social media.........

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I think I'll sit this one out

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Problem is, you can only know you are not properly informed by learning at least a bit about something. Or the other way around: the more you specialise in a field the more you learn how little you know.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

It's pretty easy to know if you've spent a lot of time looking into a topic or not. If your knowledge consists of watching a YouTube video from a non-expert or picking things up passively, it's probably better to stay quiet.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

You can say least know when you obviously don't know anything useful about a subject.

Yes, you may unwittingly be misinformed, but I feel this message is for people that feel the need to look important and smart by interjecting on scenarios they have no business interjecting about. Particularly in my work there are folks that do that to gun for promotions.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I'd agree but I'm not sure

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Fuck that. It's pretty funny throwing out crazy opinions.

Try some mustard on a Boston Cream donut. Yum!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I thought I understood PKI technology. I studied, was a consultant.

Then I met some engineers at cloudflare and realized I was an ignorant buffoon. It's a long fall down the ego well.

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